COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

I swear this should be one the biggest news stories right now.


The United States government accidentally deported a man to El Salvador due to an "administrative error," landing him in a notorious mega-jail and leaving him stuck there in legal limbo, according to legal papers filed on Monday.

Kilmar Arbrego Garcia came to the U.S. in 2011 from El Salvador and is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

But, in court papers filed Monday, the government admitted that "on March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error."

Garcia lives in Maryland with his wife and 5-year-old child, who is autistic and intellectually disabled. The couple both work full-time, the filing says. This incident was first reported by The Atlantic.

Garcia’s deportation comes as President Donald Trump’s administration continues to deport hundreds of people to El Salvador, many of them from Venezuela and almost all bound for the maximum security "Terrorist Confinement Center," known by its Spanish acronym CECOT.

The deportation appears to coincide with the March 15 departure of three planeloads of people to El Salvador. Lawyers for some of those who were deported said they were falsely accused of gang affiliations because of their tattoos.

Garcia, his wife Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and their legal team filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court in Maryland last week calling for Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem to ensure his return to the U.S. and for the government to stop paying El Salvador to keep him in prison.

In its filing on Monday, the government said that the U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction to seek his release.

Salvadorean government images show crowds of men with shaven heads being marched by masked guards inside the largest jail in Latin America.

To her shock, Garcia's wife only learned her husband was being detained after spotting him in an image in a news article with his head shaved and wearing white overalls, the lawsuit says. The men were kneeling, their faces obscured — but she said she spotted his tattoos and two scars on his head.

The government, however, alleges that Garcia was an "active member of the criminal gang MS-13," citing an unidentified informant at a 2019 bond hearing.

Garcia's lawyers strenuously deny this and claim the government "has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded allegation." Garcia left El Salvador to escape gang violence, his lawyers say, after gangsters threatened to kill him in an attempt to extort his parents.

They do not deny that they had no legal authority to send him there.”

Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

"We disagree that he is an MS-13 gang member. The only basis of his gang membership was a confidential informant, there was never any hard and fast proof," Garcia’s attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said in a statement to NBC News in response to Vance’s posts on X.

"There is a judicial process. They could have gone back to the judge who in 2019 gave him an order of protection and could have asked that judge to lift that order. They didn’t do that, they just put him on an airplane," Sandoval-Moshenberg added.

On March 12, after finishing his shift as a sheet metal worker and picking up his child, Garcia was pulled over and arrested by Homeland Security agents, with one of them telling him his "status has changed," a lawsuit calling for his release from last week shows.

ICE officers allegedly told him that his wife had to collect the couple's child within 10 minutes or he would be handed over to Child Protective Services, the filing says.

She arrived and found Garcia "confused, distraught and crying," but she received no explanation for his arrest, the filing says.

Garcia was interviewed and repeatedly asked about gang affiliations but told his wife that he was due to appear before an immigration judge and expected to be released. He then called her from a detention center in Texas, telling her he was about to be deported, the filing says.

Garcia's lawsuit accuses the Department of Homeland Security, ICE, and several cabinet members named as defendants of deciding to deport him without following the law, in full knowledge that "El Salvador tortures individuals detained in CE
COT."

"Upon information and belief, they did so knowing and intending that the Government of El Salvador would detain Plaintiff Abrego Garcia in CECOT immediately upon arrival," the lawsuit said.

The government's Monday court filing said that Garcia's legal team "have not clearly shown a likelihood that Abrego Garcia will be tortured or killed in CECOT."

The human rights organization Cristosal last year reported that at least 261 people have died in Salvadoran prisons since 2022, while groups including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have documented extreme crowding and torture at Salvadorean prisons, including CECOT.

The Department of Homeland Security and ICE did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

The case is due to be heard by a judge in Greenbelt, Maryland, on Friday.
 
I swear this should be one the biggest news stories right now.


The United States government accidentally deported a man to El Salvador due to an "administrative error," landing him in a notorious mega-jail and leaving him stuck there in legal limbo, according to legal papers filed on Monday.

Kilmar Arbrego Garcia came to the U.S. in 2011 from El Salvador and is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

But, in court papers filed Monday, the government admitted that "on March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error."

Garcia lives in Maryland with his wife and 5-year-old child, who is autistic and intellectually disabled. The couple both work full-time, the filing says. This incident was first reported by The Atlantic.

Garcia’s deportation comes as President Donald Trump’s administration continues to deport hundreds of people to El Salvador, many of them from Venezuela and almost all bound for the maximum security "Terrorist Confinement Center," known by its Spanish acronym CECOT.

The deportation appears to coincide with the March 15 departure of three planeloads of people to El Salvador. Lawyers for some of those who were deported said they were falsely accused of gang affiliations because of their tattoos.

Garcia, his wife Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and their legal team filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court in Maryland last week calling for Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem to ensure his return to the U.S. and for the government to stop paying El Salvador to keep him in prison.

In its filing on Monday, the government said that the U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction to seek his release.

Salvadorean government images show crowds of men with shaven heads being marched by masked guards inside the largest jail in Latin America.

To her shock, Garcia's wife only learned her husband was being detained after spotting him in an image in a news article with his head shaved and wearing white overalls, the lawsuit says. The men were kneeling, their faces obscured — but she said she spotted his tattoos and two scars on his head.

The government, however, alleges that Garcia was an "active member of the criminal gang MS-13," citing an unidentified informant at a 2019 bond hearing.

Garcia's lawyers strenuously deny this and claim the government "has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded allegation." Garcia left El Salvador to escape gang violence, his lawyers say, after gangsters threatened to kill him in an attempt to extort his parents.

They do not deny that they had no legal authority to send him there.”

Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

"We disagree that he is an MS-13 gang member. The only basis of his gang membership was a confidential informant, there was never any hard and fast proof," Garcia’s attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said in a statement to NBC News in response to Vance’s posts on X.

"There is a judicial process. They could have gone back to the judge who in 2019 gave him an order of protection and could have asked that judge to lift that order. They didn’t do that, they just put him on an airplane," Sandoval-Moshenberg added.

On March 12, after finishing his shift as a sheet metal worker and picking up his child, Garcia was pulled over and arrested by Homeland Security agents, with one of them telling him his "status has changed," a lawsuit calling for his release from last week shows.

ICE officers allegedly told him that his wife had to collect the couple's child within 10 minutes or he would be handed over to Child Protective Services, the filing says.

She arrived and found Garcia "confused, distraught and crying," but she received no explanation for his arrest, the filing says.

Garcia was interviewed and repeatedly asked about gang affiliations but told his wife that he was due to appear before an immigration judge and expected to be released. He then called her from a detention center in Texas, telling her he was about to be deported, the filing says.

Garcia's lawsuit accuses the Department of Homeland Security, ICE, and several cabinet members named as defendants of deciding to deport him without following the law, in full knowledge that "El Salvador tortures individuals detained in CE
COT."

"Upon information and belief, they did so knowing and intending that the Government of El Salvador would detain Plaintiff Abrego Garcia in CECOT immediately upon arrival," the lawsuit said.

The government's Monday court filing said that Garcia's legal team "have not clearly shown a likelihood that Abrego Garcia will be tortured or killed in CECOT."

The human rights organization Cristosal last year reported that at least 261 people have died in Salvadoran prisons since 2022, while groups including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have documented extreme crowding and torture at Salvadorean prisons, including CECOT.

The Department of Homeland Security and ICE did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

The case is due to be heard by a judge in Greenbelt, Maryland, on Friday.
And this is why due process is important. If there was a hearing all of this would have come out and this wouldn’t have happened.

Funny to hear people just not care that innocent people are getting caught up in this. Could you imagine being a law abiding citizen with no criminal or gang activity and ending up in a notorious El Salvador prison? And now there’s little recourse to get back? Your wife and kid back in the states? I’d lose my mind!
 
And this is why due process is important. If there was a hearing all of this would have come out and this wouldn’t have happened.

Funny to hear people just not care that innocent people are getting caught up in this. Could you imagine being a law abiding citizen with no criminal or gang activity and ending up in a notorious El Salvador prison? And now there’s little recourse to get back? Your wife and kid back in the states? I’d lose my mind!
This! And to add on if this isn't taken seriously now there is nothing that will stop them from expanding this idea of rounding up other "gang members" up and sending them to El Salvador as well. I already know who would next on the list to shipped off...
 
This! And to add on if this isn't taken seriously now there is nothing that will stop them from expanding this idea of rounding up other "gang members" up and sending them to El Salvador as well. I already know who would next on the list to shipped off...
Black Americans are not going to be shipped anywhere and you know that
 
No I don't, since I have your attention how do you feel about the bill Republicans introduced blocking reparations??
You have no indication that black Americans are going to be targeted other than the fear mongering you see on CNN and MSNBC

You have no reason to believe that. We are not meager powerless tethers. We are foundational black Americans who have all the culture and all the sway. Act like it

Left wing and liberal media is not speaking for your best interest Tayboo.. I AM

Just think logically instead of emotionally for once

How are they going to ship out tax paying black Americans with social security numbers etc?

And where?

You know how many black Americans work for ICE, tell me how that works sister?

I promise you your best bet from now on would be to only worry about your LINEAGE. You don't owe anybody else any Alliance

Latino problems are not your problems. Immigrant problems are not your problems



I feel the same way about the what the Republicans did as y'all feel about what Gavin Newsom did, when the reparations money was damn near on the table here in cali

The same man you plan on voting for when he runs vetoed our money

... because again, sister... the Democrats are not the good guys

 

 
You have no indication that black Americans are going to be targeted other than the fear mongering you see on CNN and MSNBC

You have no reason to believe that. We are not meager powerless tethers. We are foundational black Americans who have all the culture and all the sway. Act like it

Left wing and liberal media is not speaking for your best interest Tayboo.. I AM

Just think logically instead of emotionally for once

How are they going to ship out tax paying black Americans with social security numbers etc?

And where?

You know how many black Americans work for ICE, tell me how that works sister?

I promise you your best bet from now on would be to only worry about your LINEAGE. You don't owe anybody else any Alliance

Latino problems are not your problems. Immigrant problems are not your problems



I feel the same way about the what the Republicans did as y'all feel about what Gavin Newsom did, when the reparations money was damn near on the table here in cali

The same man you plan on voting for when he runs vetoed our money

... because again, sister... the Democrats are not the good guys


Plenty of Latinos work for ICE and pay taxes as well Dis, so that clearly isn't a deterrent for this government to send people off to another country without due process.
 
I swear this should be one the biggest news stories right now.


The United States government accidentally deported a man to El Salvador due to an "administrative error," landing him in a notorious mega-jail and leaving him stuck there in legal limbo, according to legal papers filed on Monday.

Kilmar Arbrego Garcia came to the U.S. in 2011 from El Salvador and is a legal resident protected by a 2019 court order that prevented him from being sent back to his home country.

But, in court papers filed Monday, the government admitted that "on March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error."

Garcia lives in Maryland with his wife and 5-year-old child, who is autistic and intellectually disabled. The couple both work full-time, the filing says. This incident was first reported by The Atlantic.

Garcia’s deportation comes as President Donald Trump’s administration continues to deport hundreds of people to El Salvador, many of them from Venezuela and almost all bound for the maximum security "Terrorist Confinement Center," known by its Spanish acronym CECOT.

The deportation appears to coincide with the March 15 departure of three planeloads of people to El Salvador. Lawyers for some of those who were deported said they were falsely accused of gang affiliations because of their tattoos.

Garcia, his wife Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and their legal team filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court in Maryland last week calling for Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem to ensure his return to the U.S. and for the government to stop paying El Salvador to keep him in prison.

In its filing on Monday, the government said that the U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction to seek his release.

Salvadorean government images show crowds of men with shaven heads being marched by masked guards inside the largest jail in Latin America.

To her shock, Garcia's wife only learned her husband was being detained after spotting him in an image in a news article with his head shaved and wearing white overalls, the lawsuit says. The men were kneeling, their faces obscured — but she said she spotted his tattoos and two scars on his head.

The government, however, alleges that Garcia was an "active member of the criminal gang MS-13," citing an unidentified informant at a 2019 bond hearing.

Garcia's lawyers strenuously deny this and claim the government "has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded allegation." Garcia left El Salvador to escape gang violence, his lawyers say, after gangsters threatened to kill him in an attempt to extort his parents.

They do not deny that they had no legal authority to send him there.”

Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

"We disagree that he is an MS-13 gang member. The only basis of his gang membership was a confidential informant, there was never any hard and fast proof," Garcia’s attorney, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said in a statement to NBC News in response to Vance’s posts on X.

"There is a judicial process. They could have gone back to the judge who in 2019 gave him an order of protection and could have asked that judge to lift that order. They didn’t do that, they just put him on an airplane," Sandoval-Moshenberg added.

On March 12, after finishing his shift as a sheet metal worker and picking up his child, Garcia was pulled over and arrested by Homeland Security agents, with one of them telling him his "status has changed," a lawsuit calling for his release from last week shows.

ICE officers allegedly told him that his wife had to collect the couple's child within 10 minutes or he would be handed over to Child Protective Services, the filing says.

She arrived and found Garcia "confused, distraught and crying," but she received no explanation for his arrest, the filing says.

Garcia was interviewed and repeatedly asked about gang affiliations but told his wife that he was due to appear before an immigration judge and expected to be released. He then called her from a detention center in Texas, telling her he was about to be deported, the filing says.

Garcia's lawsuit accuses the Department of Homeland Security, ICE, and several cabinet members named as defendants of deciding to deport him without following the law, in full knowledge that "El Salvador tortures individuals detained in CE
COT."

"Upon information and belief, they did so knowing and intending that the Government of El Salvador would detain Plaintiff Abrego Garcia in CECOT immediately upon arrival," the lawsuit said.

The government's Monday court filing said that Garcia's legal team "have not clearly shown a likelihood that Abrego Garcia will be tortured or killed in CECOT."

The human rights organization Cristosal last year reported that at least 261 people have died in Salvadoran prisons since 2022, while groups including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have documented extreme crowding and torture at Salvadorean prisons, including CECOT.

The Department of Homeland Security and ICE did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

The case is due to be heard by a judge in Greenbelt, Maryland, on Friday.

There are like 5 things that come out every day that should be top news.

I mean people aren't really talking about the fact that dude is trying to defund FEMA just ahead of us going into hurricane season. That's going to work out great.
 
Plenty of Latinos work for ICE and pay taxes as well Dis, so that clearly isn't a deterrent for this government to send people off to another country without due process.
Lol noooo

LATINOS AINT FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS!

:niggaa:

Sister you keep comparing us to other groups. You got to stop holding hands with others. They don't appreciate your hand. Our interests are not the same. Unfortunate things that happen to them are not inevitable for us. Decades of Liberal programming has you thinking like that. It's sad tbh

Like do you still consider yourself a minority or a person of color or something?

I can't imagine reading a story about a Latino being wrongly shipped to a Latino country and feel threatened as an FBA

That's crazy, loved one. Nuts.
 
There are like 5 things that come out every day that should be top news.

I mean people aren't really talking about the fact that dude is trying to defund FEMA just ahead of us going into hurricane season. That's going to work out great.
You're right. Like I really don't care about what's going on at Tesla or Trump talking about Greenland or Canada. Yet that's what I see first thing on news...
 


Someone needs to fed that bedwench better talking points.. When she’s not coonin’ or just outright verbally attacking black folks.. She’s completely lost…
 
Lol noooo

LATINOS AINT FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS!

:niggaa:

Sister you keep comparing us to other groups. You got to stop holding hands with others. They don't appreciate your hand. Our interests are not the same. Unfortunate things that happen to them are not inevitable for us. Decades of Liberal programming has you thinking like that. It's sad tbh

Like do you still consider yourself a minority or a person of color or something?

I can't imagine reading a story about a Latino being wrongly shipped to a Latino country and feel threatened as an FBA

That's crazy, loved one. Nuts.
I'm Black American, but that doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to the clear fascism that is going on simply because right now it's not happening to Black Americans.
 
I'm Black American, but that doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to the clear fascism that is going on simply because right now it's not happening to Black Americans
Listen here

We will not defeat fascism with illegals and pronouns and letting men in the WNBA

If yall want to take down Mr Third term you better stop trying to convince me and my ilk to vote for nothing as usual

Getting the Democrats on the pro Black American agenda is the best way to get Trump out.. because pointing to what he's doing like shooting down reparations won't work. Since 2020 we were the ones threatening y'all with Republican backlash, so you can't pull that card now on us, after the fact

White supremacists doing white supremacist things.. ok, now all of America is fucked instead just black America. We are content with letting him destroy this planet if we don't get what we are OWED

Imagine standing for something
 
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