COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

The Lonious Monk said:
Obamacare is a half measure. That shit barely passed, and Reps have been trying to tank it since it's inception. The CTC is basically used as bait for voters these days as its always raised when a party wants support and then dropped when the party is in office.

How is Brown-Jackson getting on the Supreme Court an example of anything? Like we're supposed to be impressed in 2025 that a minority is accepted?

No one said that Congress has never done anything remotely good. The point is Bernie has proposed revolutionary ideas (by American standards) to help the American people, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that those ideas are rejected by politicians who at their best usually just want to maintain the status quo.
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Raising the minimum wage isn’t a revolutionary idea.. As far as Obamacare goes it isn’t perfect law but it has saved people’s lives.. I’m sure if St. Bernie proposed the law & actually got it passed you would never stop bringing it up…
 
RandomOne said:
Bernie bros like the free stuff but we'd be paying with increased taxes
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You post defeats itself. None of it is free if we're paying for it through taxes.

You act like Bernie hasn't put out plans and those plans haven't been studied. Yes, Medicare4All would lead to a rise in taxes for most people, however, because it's implementation would do away with things like insurance premiums, copays, deductibles, etc... most people would wind up saving money on an annual basis even with the increased taxes. For other things like free public school, Bernie proposed tax reform and reprioritization of existing tax dollars to pay for those, so average people wouldn't even see those costs.

Like I need ya'll to seriously look at what's being proposed. I'm not saying Bernie is right about everything, but go read up on what he actually wants to do. Try to understand that most of it is already implemented in successful nations around the world, know that there have been pilot studies for most of these things within this country that bore successful result. When you do that, you'll realize that he's not crazy for proposing this shit. We're crazy for constantly shooting it down.
 
StringerBell said:
Raising the minimum wage isn’t a revolutionary idea.. As far as Obamacare goes it isn’t perfect law but it has saved people’s lives.. I’m sure if St. Bernie proposed the law & actually got it passed you would never stop bringing it up…
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Bro, why are you trying to act like I'm some member of the Bernie analog to the MAGA cult. I just believe the policies that he pushes are correct. You trying to throw darts at me doesn't refute his ideas.

Obamacare has saved lives, but Obama himself said it wasn't perfect and was just what he thought he could get through. So if that, according to you, Obamacare is a success, why wouldn't we push for an even better option that would save even more lives?

I guess you're ok with Americans spending like 10x as much on prescription drugs as other people even though our tax dollars are what subsidize the development of the drugs in the first place. So you'll coddle Biden's nuts because he got lower prices for 10 drugs, but then try shit on me for agreeing with Bernie that we should be getting all our drugs for cheaper rather than letting Pharm CEOs get rich of public sickness? Come on bro.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
You post defeats itself. None of it is free if we're paying for it through taxes.

You act like Bernie hasn't put out plans and those plans haven't been studied. Yes, Medicare4All would lead to a rise in taxes for most people, however, because it's implementation would do away with things like insurance premiums, copays, deductibles, etc... most people would wind up saving money on an annual basis even with the increased taxes. For other things like free public school, Bernie proposed tax reform and reprioritization of existing tax dollars to pay for those, so average people wouldn't even see those costs.

Like I need ya'll to seriously look at what's being proposed. I'm not saying Bernie is right about everything, but go read up on what he actually wants to do. Try to understand that most of it is already implemented in successful nations around the world, know that there have been pilot studies for most of these things within this country that bore successful result. When you do that, you'll realize that he's not crazy for proposing this shit. We're crazy for constantly shooting it down.
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"They" like to call it free but it's really not. That's the whole point and why his policies don't get traction outside of college kids

I looked back in the 2016 election when he was running. I disagreed with it then and do now
 
Tayboo said:
I think that both Monk and Stringer are right. Dems definitely got some issues, but Bernie isn't the answer to fixing those issues. IMO all of the old white politicians need to fall back.
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I agree. Bernie has had his day. I'm not advocating for him to run anymore. I think people just have to stop shooting down good ideas because status quo politicians tell them they are bad. Of course, a 1%er in Congress is going to be against free college if it means taxing the rich more. Of course, a senator is going to be against lower pharmacy prices when he's receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from big pharma to take that position.

RandomOne said:
"They" like to call it free but it's really not. That's the whole point and why his policies don't get traction outside of college kids

I looked back in the 2016 election when he was running. I disagreed with it then and do now
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Free as in, you're not paying at the point of entry. You go to school, you don't have to pay the school anything. Most informed people know that it doesn't come without any cost to anyone. This is the real world, not a fairy tale where money trees exist.

His policies didn't get traction because both the Reps and other Dems smeared him and his ideas. They painted him as a crazy socialist that wanted us to be like Venezuela or Cuba. Whenever pollsters detach his ideas from politics and just ask people about the policies themselves, they always poll high.

Its fine for you to disagree, but why do you disagree? What is it about Medica4All you don't like? Is it just the fact that you'll have higher taxes because of it? Well does the fact that you won't be paying insurance premiums anymore make a difference with you? I pay more than $350 every check for health insurance. I think I'm good with my taxes going up $275 if that $350 goes away and everybody in the country can now go to the doctor when they need to.
 
Tayboo said:
So if y'all were running the Democratic party right now, what moves would you be making?
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Right now all they can do is resist Trump and Elon. I'd be doing my best to make sure the public knows the truth about what is being done and that the courts have consistently sided against the Trump administration. If they do that, they may swing Congress back to the left after the midterms. That might allow them to take more substantive action.
 
Tayboo said:
So if y'all were running the Democratic party right now, what moves would you be making?
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Ushering out the old guard and prepping younger, less established candidates to take their place. The leadership needs an overhaul and fresh eyes. The old guard can still advise to some extent.. but they gotta go. They had their time.. step tf aside
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I agree. Bernie has had his day. I'm not advocating for him to run anymore. I think people just have to stop shooting down good ideas because status quo politicians tell them they are bad. Of course, a 1%er in Congress is going to be against free college if it means taxing the rich more. Of course, a senator is going to be against lower pharmacy prices when he's receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from big pharma to take that position.



Free as in, you're not paying at the point of entry. You go to school, you don't have to pay the school anything. Most informed people know that it doesn't come without any cost to anyone. This is the real world, not a fairy tale where money trees exist.

His policies didn't get traction because both the Reps and other Dems smeared him and his ideas. They painted him as a crazy socialist that wanted us to be like Venezuela or Cuba. Whenever pollsters detach his ideas from politics and just ask people about the policies themselves, they always poll high.

Its fine for you to disagree, but why do you disagree? What is it about Medica4All you don't like? Is it just the fact that you'll have higher taxes because of it? Well does the fact that you won't be paying insurance premiums anymore make a difference with you? I pay more than $350 every check for health insurance. I think I'm good with my taxes going up $275 if that $350 goes away and everybody in the country can now go to the doctor when they need to.
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Yes. Simply I don't want to pay higher taxes just so everything can be "free" for everyone
 
RandomOne said:
Yes. Simply I don't want to pay higher taxes just so everything can be "free" for everyone
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So it doesn't matter you that most studies show that on a year-to-year basis your increased taxes would be offset by decreased medical costs?

Well, either way, if you general stance is that you're not willing to pay a little more in taxes to improve the state of the country, we're likely not going to agree on much when it comes to politics. So, it's all good.

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The Lonious Monk said:
So it doesn't matter you that most studies show that on a year-to-year basis your increased taxes would be offset by decreased medical costs?

Well, either way, if you general stance is that you're not willing to pay a little more in taxes to improve the state of the country, we're likely not going to agree on much when it comes to politics. So, it's all good.

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Going to sidetrack and ask a question. What nation government do you wish the US had? I'm curious what your answer is
 
I'll tell you something, Bernie Sanders and the progressives make better cases than the usual corporate or performative Democrats whose tweets get posted in here
 
Inori said:
Ushering out the old guard and prepping younger, less established candidates to take their place. The leadership needs an overhaul and fresh eyes. The old guard can still advise to some extent.. but they gotta go. They had their time.. step tf aside
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This is common beyond politics and into other industries/professions where folks who should be retired are holding significant positions.

Prodessions/ work places is one thing, and out of most of our control.

Politics is another and the younger generation is the too complacent, distracted, apathetic or whatever to make a move.
 
JAG said:
This is common beyond politics and into other industries/professions where folks who should be retired are holding significant positions.

Prodessions/ work places is one thing, and out of most of our control.

Politics is another and the younger generation is the too complacent, distracted, apathetic or whatever to make a move.
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I think some of that apathy comes from the older folks straight up refusing to pass the fuckin baton.

I think theres plenty of young folks that would like to get politically engaged but the older establishment folks seem to be stuck in their ways and dont want to take in new ideas, approaches etc and perhaps thats where the apathy sets in like ah fuck it.. they aint listening to me anyway so why bother
 
Inori said:
I think some of that apathy comes from the older folks straight up refusing to pass the fuckin baton.

I think theres plenty of young folks that would like to get politically engaged but the older establishment folks seem to be stuck in their ways and dont want to take in new ideas, approaches etc and perhaps thats where the apathy sets in like ah fuck it.. they aint listening to me anyway so why bother
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100% they don’t.

When will we say, fuck it and stop asking?

That’s where I think the complacency plays in.
 
JAG said:
100% they don’t.

When will we say, fuck it and stop asking?

That’s where I think the complacency plays in.
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Boomers currently got the numbers.. I ran the question through chatgpt but I gotta look for some other sources but I thought this was interesting
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Step. Aside.
 
RandomOne said:
Going to sidetrack and ask a question. What nation government do you wish the US had? I'm curious what your answer is
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America's system would be fine if it wasn't for the crony capitalism. We'd be a lot better off if corporations and special interest groups couldn't buy politicians.

In principle, the American system would work if it actually operated the way it's supposed to. It's the corruption that is a problem moreso than the system itself.
 
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