Asher Roth flopped why? is there truth in Eminem being a burden upon other white rappers?

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In 2009 he had a hit with I Love College obviously due to him being white the obvious comparing to Eminem was gonna happen. He obviously was never gonna do Eminem numbers but he had that hit, he was marketable in the sense he had a lane for the college crowd to be his main audience and if anyone actually buys records it's that college crowd. He was from that J Cole, Drake, Kendrick, Kanye, Kid Cudi, Macklemore space where they just regular dudes being real to them self they not street so don't rap about that, they not from a struggle type back round so don't rap abut that literally just regular dudes that rap.

So why did the album flop and he basically a 1 hit wonder? i do not want to make this thread about Em but the question gotta be asked has Eminem been a curse on white rappers? look at Macklemore he went platinum with The Heist then after that album he flopped with his next album his career is done sales wise just had 1 album that sold. We know Macklemore is never gonna have another gold or platinum album or hit or ever win another grammy

So there is a truth that Em has blocked other white rap artists success since he came out in 1999 no other white rapper has been able to consistently sell records and consistently make hits and consistently pick up grammys. A J Cole can go platinum but an Asher Roth couldn't go gold, a Kendrick could consistently go platinum and gold but a Macklemore can only do that once and after his career a wrap, a Chingy when he was out in the same era as Paul Wall Chingy was doing multi platinum numbers in that era easily while Paul Wall just had 1 gold album and the rest flopped

Iggy Azeila numbers were never close to Nicki Minaj's we talking about somebody with platinum albums in Nicki were as Iggy just flopped couldn't even sell 100K with her album
 
freethewave said:
Asher Roth is wack. Bubba Sparxx did numbers. Macklemore did numbers. What are you asking?
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I am asking why Macklemore wasn't consistently able to do numbers and just have 1 platinum album then it was a wrap for him sales wise his next album flopped couldn't even sell 100K

A Bubba Sparxxx album in his prime wasn't doing Ja Rule or even Lloyd Banks numbers or even the numbers Tony Yayo did with his album. And in 2018 a Bubba album ain't even gonna do 50K in overall sales

So the question i'm aking is because these white rappers haven't been consistently about to sell gold and platinum album after album consistently make hit after hit. Has Eminem been a burden a curse for fellow white rappers?
 
Em had the biggest producer in the game with the largest record label in the game giving him a cosign. If you think different you have no idea about hiphop music or business.
 
Cain said:
Em had the biggest producer in the game with the largest record label in the game giving him a cosign. If you think different you have no idea about hiphop music or business.
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I'm not going to argue and be stubborn and act like there isn't truth to this to some extent. The Dr Dre affiliation being signed to him was huge and Interscope is a super big label wen it comes to labels Interscope is the elite this true

However on the flip side to that Dr Dre only produced 3 songs on Em's debut album The SSLP and overall has done very little production for Eminem overall. He has only ever produced 1 album for him in Relapse. Em has produced majority of the production on his music. There are Em albums where Dr Dre hasn't even produced 1 song on

And since this thread about sales the fact is the actual 1 album Dr Dre did produce for dude Relapse it is one of his lowest selling albums like second lowest selling album ever
 
Starbucks said:
I'm not going to argue and be stubborn and act like there isn't truth to this to some extent. The Dr Dre affiliation being signed to him was huge and Interscope is a super big label wen it comes to labels Interscope is the elite this true

However on the flip side to that Dr Dre only produced 3 songs on Em's debut album The SSLP and overall has done very little production for Eminem overall. He has only ever produced 1 album for him in Relapse. Em has produced majority of the production on his music. There are Em albums where Dr Dre hasn't even produced 1 song on

And since this thread about sales the fact is the actual 1 album Dr Dre did produce for dude Relapse it is one of his lowest selling albums like second lowest selling album ever
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Dre producing one song would've got Em just as much recognition. Dre made him, his cosign made Em a household name this isn't even debatable. A Asher Roth had a mixtape cosign and that's it but he made good music that nobody heard because he didn't have a push behind. Bubba Sparxx had Outkast so he got a push and sold units platinum I believe.

Em would be a Asher status without Dre period. Also the beats Dre gave Em was trash but the cosign got Em on every radio station from pop to urban.

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Cain said:
Dre producing one song would've got Em just as much recognition. Dre made him, his cosign made Em a household name this isn't even debatable. A Asher Roth had a mixtape cosign and that's it but he made good music that nobody heard because he didn't have a push behind. Bubba Sparxx had Outkast so he got a push and sold units platinum I believe.

Em would be a Asher status without Dre period. Also the beats Dre gave Em was trash but the cosign got Em on every radio station from pop to urban.

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C'mon now Asher Roth was signed to a major record label Universal/SRC/Def Jam. Eminem himself co signed the dudewhen he first came out i can show u the video where he did and said this Asher Roth kid is dope

Your theory doesn't add up because Yelawolf is co signed by Eminem signed to Eminem but Yelawolf can't do J Cole numbers Yelawolf can't sell Gold

Without Dr Dre Eminem would still have the same Pop records and catchy records as a reasonable intelligent person u realise that is what sells now i'm not talking about hip-hop heads we know they find Em's music corny and pop. But pop fans love it so u blatantly trolling with that statement. 15 year old girls aren't going to find any Asher Roth record appealing like they find Em's records appealing. That's not Ashers fault

Maybe it might just be Asher Roth was too hip-hop to sell in the era he came out and cross over unlike Eminem who is Pop and put colour aside unlike Nelly who like Eminem made pop records too. Asher Roth basically came out when people wanted to hear pop music from rappers maybe he was just 10 years too late and not from the generation where actual MC's who make straight up rap like a Hov, Nas, Wu-Tang, Biggie, Busta etc could do numbers just making straight rap
 
Hey guys she’s trying to say that Eminem sold because he’s so great and awesome and he makes amazing music. And if you’re saying Eminem sold because of his whiteness then why do other white rappers flop. So stop discrediting Eminem’s success /thread
 
5th Letter said:
Hey guys she’s trying to say that Eminem sold because he’s so great and awesome and he makes amazing music. And if you’re saying Eminem sold because of his whiteness then why do other white rappers flop. So stop discrediting Eminem’s success /thread
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U can't make assumptions based on ignorance.

The fact that Eminem hasn't influenced white rappers to sell goes against Em this isn't a positive for him this a negative. He didn't pave a way for white rappers to move units to sell and have commercial success so that's something that can be seen as an L

Also the fact rappers in general be it black or white don't come out and say ''yo Eminem was a big influence for me to do music, this Eminem record made me want to do what i do, this Em album was an influence on my style''

Eminem's whiteness did help him a little but the reason he sold and other white rappers flop is simple. What u and the rest of the hip-hop community feels are corny records is what most non hip-hop fans feel is great music so these other white rappers not having a Not Afraid, The Real Slim Shady, My Name Is, Mockingbird, The Monster, Space Bound, Beautiful is why they flopped. To the hip-hop community these songs always been considered corny but to your average music listener that's into pop music this what they like this what sells

Nobody actually discredits Eminem's success when they as a hip-hop fan say his music is corny this is the general consensus

i'll break it down like this Mockingbird and Daughters are about the same topic, both songs are songs that evoke emotion to the listener, both songs have soul in the loosest term of the word soul for argument sake meaning ''emotion'' same subject matter. But Hip-hop fans ain't messing with Mockingbird but they will mess with Daughters they feel Mockingbird is corny in it's execution, the hook, the singing the overly soft vibe of the song doesn't resonate with hip-hop heads it's simply way too soft. But hip-hop heads do mess with Daughters

So this thread was actually me looking at Em taking an L in him not influencing white rappers and possibilly being a burdern for white rappers period. I'm not the blind stan u think i am and have never been
 
Starbucks said:
I am asking why Macklemore wasn't consistently able to do numbers and just have 1 platinum album then it was a wrap for him sales wise his next album flopped couldn't even sell 100K

A Bubba Sparxxx album in his prime wasn't doing Ja Rule or even Lloyd Banks numbers or even the numbers Tony Yayo did with his album. And in 2018 a Bubba album ain't even gonna do 50K in overall sales

So the question i'm aking is because these white rappers haven't been consistently about to sell gold and platinum album after album consistently make hit after hit. Has Eminem been a burden a curse for fellow white rappers?
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Eminem came with The Real Slim Shady, Stan and a classic lp for his second album. Macklemore and Bubba Sparxx couldn't keep the novelty element going where Eminem was bringing classics. Eminem success has nothing to do with Macklemore ,Sparxx and Asher not keeping it alive.
 
freethewave said:
Eminem came with The Real Slim Shady, Stan and a classic lp for his second album. Macklemore and Bubba Sparxx couldn't keep the novelty element going where Eminem was bringing classics. Eminem success has nothing to do with Macklemore ,Sparxx and Asher not keeping it alive.
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U got a point there that's true
 
U raised a great point actually there isn't any other white rapper that has a classic album besides Eminem who has 4

The SSLP
The MMLP
TES
Recovery


Then there is the fact these other white rappers had a 1 dimensional sound and niche audience where as Eminem had something for everybody

Records like Hailie's Song, Superman, Mockingbird, Love The Way You Lie, Space Bound, Stronger Than I Was, So Bad for the ladies

Records like Soldier, The Way I Am, Drama Setter, Get My Gun, Jimmy Crack Corn for the gangsters

Records like Sing For The Moment, We As Americans, White America for the political conscious fans

Records like Lose Yourself, Not Afraid, The Real Slim Shady, My Name Is for the pop charts

Records like Believe for the trap fans

Records like Don't Front for the lyrical heads
 
Fazeem Pac rapped verses

Eminem raps, sings, produces, mixes records, does hooks, ghost writes for Dr Dre

Eminem has sold more records than Pac

Eminem has more grammy awards than Pac

Eminem has an oscar award which Pac doesn't

Eminem made millions and millions of profit from music Pac was broke just before he died because it was Shuge Knight making most the money from his music

Eminem caught a case for pistol whipping a bouncer, Pac caught a case for rape but there were rumors he met karma and got raped in jail himself

Eminem has numerous number 1 singles, Pac has one number 1 single his biggest hit ever California Love which is basically a Dr Dre song Dr Dre produced the song and rapped on it while Pac just rapped on it

Eminem done majority of the hooks on his song himself, majority of Pac's song have an RnB singer featuring to do the hook

Eminem has hair, Pac was bald

How that make u feel Fazeem?
 
By the way there was tongue in cheek in that post obviously but at the same time i do believe Pac is very overrated because he wasn't all rounded at all as i said he just rapped didn't do hooks relied on RnB singers for them more than anybody else in history. I just found his music boring yes he had emotion but what good is emotion if it's executed in a boring way?
 
Fuck Asher and Eminem.


G-Eazy king of the white rapper wave.
 
Starbucks said:
Eminem does and sales are a reflection of who makes better music

The more people that think your album is great then they gonna purchase it. Simple logic
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Nah sells dont reflect better music. And I bet G-Eazy charted higher than Eminem on every chart minus album. Hell nobody in Americas besides white people remember what Em last single was named or sounds like. G-Eazy had "No Limit". Get with the times pudgy paki.
 
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