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Only thing I’m probably conservative on is not trusting white folks.

I’m cool with abortion, I’m cool with lbgqt people being called whatever they ask, never saw an issue with feminism, think workers should get more respect than companies and I think rich people will destroy the world.
 
HellCzar said:
Only thing I’m probably conservative on is not trusting white folks.

I’m cool with abortion, I’m cool with lbgqt people being called whatever they ask, never saw an issue with feminism, think workers should get more respect than companies and I think rich people will destroy the world.
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Right and that’s the thing that I’m glad you stated. Your comment is on point and really I think it clashes with what you said before this. I don’t trust them either. Their motives and their intentions are not to just be trusted. With that being said, how can you say that…..know that they’ve exhausted all of their options to keep us down as black people and think that they wouldn’t try to use white womens feminism and any other movements to stifle us?

i don’t have an issue with women working, having rights…..those things go without saying but I say it anyway because I should. I don’t have a 100% conservative 0% liberal ideological belief system. If you wanna get an abortion?? I can’t stop you go ahead, but what bothers me is when again, we know how white people historically have done us. Many of us are finding things everyday that are not easy to digest in terms of the racism Black people have faced.

BM were purposefully pushed out the homes, we are purposefully targeted. They attack us situationally, ideologically, emotionally…..from TV, music etc…….so I’m always going to have cause to pause.
 
RandomNegro said:
Right and that’s the thing that I’m glad you stated. Your comment is on point and really I think it clashes with what you said before this. I don’t trust them either. Their motives and their intentions are not to just be trusted. With that being said, how can you say that…..know that they’ve exhausted all of their options to keep us down as black people and think that they wouldn’t try to use white womens feminism and any other movements to stifle us?

i don’t have an issue with women working, having rights…..those things go without saying but I say it anyway because I should. I don’t have a 100% conservative 0% liberal ideological belief system. If you wanna get an abortion?? I can’t stop you go ahead, but what bothers me is when again, we know how white people historically have done us. Many of us are finding things everyday that are not easy to digest in terms of the racism Black people have faced.

BM were purposefully pushed out the homes, we are purposefully targeted. They attack us situationally, ideologically, emotionally…..from TV, music etc…….so I’m always going to have cause to pause.
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Bruh I’m aware of what they do I’m also aware that feminism did not hurt black Womens at all or black men. Women having better jobs better opportunities outside the house having their own bank accounts getting child support to me does not hurt the black man. To me it seem like y’all make excuses on why the black community does not have this 1950s middle class way of doing things. That’s was mostly white folks. In Black families we both had to work. I don’t think feminism has put more black men in prison, or anything like that

It’s this thing I feel where a lot of dude feel if we can’t dominate the crib like Archie Bunker then we less than. The pushing out the home thing yes I know aid was not happening if a man was home because the state approved it abd felt he needs to work. Knowing that job market changes.

My thing is a lot of y’all make is seem like black women are invested in the downfall of black men so much that it’s no really reaching y’all. And y’all sound like any other conspiracy theorist. It’s not hard for people to lump y’all together in some He-man woman haters club
 
RandomNegro said:
Right and that’s the thing that I’m glad you stated. Your comment is on point and really I think it clashes with what you said before this. I don’t trust them either. Their motives and their intentions are not to just be trusted. With that being said, how can you say that…..know that they’ve exhausted all of their options to keep us down as black people and think that they wouldn’t try to use white womens feminism and any other movements to stifle us?

i don’t have an issue with women working, having rights…..those things go without saying but I say it anyway because I should. I don’t have a 100% conservative 0% liberal ideological belief system. If you wanna get an abortion?? I can’t stop you go ahead, but what bothers me is when again, we know how white people historically have done us. Many of us are finding things everyday that are not easy to digest in terms of the racism Black people have faced.

BM were purposefully pushed out the homes, we are purposefully targeted. They attack us situationally, ideologically, emotionally…..from TV, music etc…….so I’m always going to have cause to pause.
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I think this is a pretty valid point from a historic perspective, not dealing with this cover or anything, just overall.

Hip hop went from lyricism and Afrocentricity to drug dealing and mafioso shit, to drug addicts, murder, 24/7 clubbin, and excessive materialism as a way to debilitate our upward mobility.

We once had shows with strong Black families, kids in college, upstanding citizens, etc and now what do we watch? Constant drama and people being hood as hell in the form of reality shows like RHOA, LAHH, Basketball Wives, and Black Ink that illustrate that no matter your social status, niggas is still niggas and gonna act as niggerish as possible.

The image of the Black man is definitely under attack and the dismantling of the Black family has been going on for decades. That much can't be denied because without strong men willing to take a stand and a strong family at home, you won't have a strong community and that's been the goal of whitey since forever.

It's much bigger than this one cover.
 
HellCzar said:
Bruh I’m aware of what they do I’m also aware that feminism did not hurt black Womens at all or black men. Women having better jobs better opportunities outside the house having their own bank accounts getting child support to me does not hurt the black man. To me it seem like y’all make excuses on why the black community does not have this 1950s middle class way of doing things. That’s was mostly white folks. In Black families we both had to work. I don’t think feminism has put more black men in prison, or anything like that

It’s this thing I feel where a lot of dude feel if we can’t dominate the crib like Archie Bunker then we less than. The pushing out the home thing yes I know aid was not happening if a man was home because the state approved it abd felt he needs to work. Knowing that job market changes.

My thing is a lot of y’all make is seem like black women are invested in the downfall of black men so much that it’s no really reaching y’all. And y’all sound like any other conspiracy theorist. It’s not hard for people to lump y’all together in some He-man woman haters club
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Right and see here goes my issues with these conversations. You can’t tell me you don’t know about the things white people did to keep us under

Race soldiers called police officer’s purposefully targeting us. Putting guns and drugs in our communities, placing drugs on us, abusing BM knowing we were under terrible conditions, unfair sentencing, first fired last hired, it’s literally a litany of different things we can name that white people did to us. Why would they not send their white women to get them to March in lockstep with BW and tell them they don’t need BM? So why is there this confusion as if they didn’t feed white womens feminism to them? BM at large were not stifling black women and keeping them down and abused. You said it yourself BM was pushed out the home. Why did they do that? So that women wouldn’t believe they had to look to men for support. So they could fracture the communities we live in. They pushed individualism over family.

Nobody is saying men gotta dominate the crib like Archie Bunker. Saying you know they pushed black men out the homes, while saying we sound like conspiracy theorists for pointing out something like that among other things??

It’s like me saying yeah I know Johnny Johnson shot your car 300 times and ran you off the road, but you acting like he wants you dead.
 
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The sad part is him and that baby can easily be cropped out.

Is this foreshadowing?

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konceptjones said:
I think this is a pretty valid point from a historic perspective, not dealing with this cover or anything, just overall.

Hip hop went from lyricism and Afrocentricity to drug dealing and mafioso shit, to drug addicts, murder, 24/7 clubbin, and excessive materialism as a way to debilitate our upward mobility.

We once had shows with strong Black families, kids in college, upstanding citizens, etc and now what do we watch? Constant drama and people being hood as hell in the form of reality shows like RHOA, LAHH, Basketball Wives, and Black Ink that illustrate that no matter your social status, niggas is still niggas and gonna act as niggerish as possible.

The image of the Black man is definitely under attack and the dismantling of the Black family has been going on for decades. That much can't be denied because without strong men willing to take a stand and a strong family at home, you won't have a strong community and that's been the goal of whitey since forever.

It's much bigger than this one cover.
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I was thinking about using that example when I was making my post. I was literally thinking about how rap music in R&B was love, music, party, music, or revolutionary music. As well as it being inspirational. Then right into rap being confrontational and gangster then R&B being about over sexualization.

Our image has been tainted by so many people who didn’t just wake up one day and felt sorry for us. Racism at its core is about self preservation. I have two pieces of fish, you have two. What if I want four? They used to just snatch it from us. They still can, but it’s smarter to make us want to give them our fish. That’s the point imo.

Like you can’t point out how it’s bm to this day, getting freed from jail because they was locked up for decades and think about all the other methods and ways they messed us up, yet when we speak on white womens feminism……..that’s not something they’d use? If you were hell bent on keeping yourself in an elevated state, wouldn’t you exhaust all options?


Look at sports reporting. They pay a black player a lot of money, if he can’t get it done? They talk about how he’s a failure. Dude like Kevin Love, Gordon Hayward and Chandler Parsons can come and go.


Solange smacks up Jay and it’s funny. Ray Rice gets into it with his lady and they railroad him. DAna White smacks his wife and they let it go. Big Ben, Conor McGregor, Rodinis Kurucs, Chad Wheeler damn near killed that BW and what??? Let it go. Josh brown had 30 incidents while in the NFL. Yet they aim to make us the face of domestic violence and abuse. It’s no way people not grasping the concepts
 
konceptjones said:
I think this is a pretty valid point from a historic perspective, not dealing with this cover or anything, just overall.

Hip hop went from lyricism and Afrocentricity to drug dealing and mafioso shit, to drug addicts, murder, 24/7 clubbin, and excessive materialism as a way to debilitate our upward mobility.

We once had shows with strong Black families, kids in college, upstanding citizens, etc and now what do we watch? Constant drama and people being hood as hell in the form of reality shows like RHOA, LAHH, Basketball Wives, and Black Ink that illustrate that no matter your social status, niggas is still niggas and gonna act as niggerish as possible.

The image of the Black man is definitely under attack and the dismantling of the Black family has been going on for decades. That much can't be denied because without strong men willing to take a stand and a strong family at home, you won't have a strong community and that's been the goal of whitey since forever.

It's much bigger than this one cover.
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Look I hear you and with hip hop I think it didn’t a much bigger divide than the 70s I’m 35 every girl in my age range up to maybe 42 had heard songs from rappers saying bitches ain’t shit and they got that from the pimp movies before rap. We know everybody don’t fit that mold because we seen the opposite. I love rap but I been feeling like the “bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks” started the gender war in my generation.

So now we got dudes complaining how hard black women are when they been called ho ass bitches for a minute.


Same with men IF most the played music coming from women is about getting over aim niggas or wanting a thug well we see where we at
 
HellCzar said:
Look I hear you and with hip hop I think it didn’t a much bigger divide than the 70s I’m 35 every girl in my age range up to maybe 42 had heard songs from rappers saying bitches ain’t shit and they got that from the pimp movies before rap. We know everybody don’t fit that mold because we seen the opposite. I love rap but I been feeling like the “bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks” started the gender war in my generation.

So now we got dudes complaining how hard black women are when they been called ho ass bitches for a minute.


Same with men IF most the played music coming from women is about getting over aim niggas or wanting a thug well we see where we at
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That came at a time when Afrocentricity in Hip Hop was at it's peak. Black college enrollment was way up, fewer young Black girls getting pregnant, and all types of our issues were on a decline. Now here comes "Bitches ain't shit..." on The Chronic and what followed was a flood of similar shit into Hip Hop: weed talk, "fuck bitches/hoes" mafioso shit, drug dealing "on the block" shit, etc. 10 years later and hip hop is all about drug dealing, bitches and hoes, stuntin, materialism, drinking whatever the latest champagne or liquor rappers are talking about. Black college enrollment is down, crime is up in our communities, teenage pregnancy on the rise, so on and so forth. Twenty years after that and where is hip hop? We went from talking about drugs are bad" to sellin drugs to now rhyming about doing drugs and the kids and young adults are following suit. Rappers are genuinely living their lyrics about killin the "opps" and these muhfuckas are dying at an absolutely unheard of rate along with the youth that listen to those lyrics, see it happening to their favorite rapper, then following along and shooting and killing.

We can't be so naive to think this isn't intentional. Same with the imagery we're bombarded with. Find a way to break us and hit us with a full court press until it works.
 
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