COMMUNITY Facing a labor shortage, fast-food restaurants are increasingly turning to robots to man the fryer

[Koltrain]

There is only really a challenge if the folks doing the hiring ain't trying to play fair. The bold underlined was also part of letter from the Bank of America execs that they want to take away from people.

When things got shut down and people had to do 100% telework. Majority of businesses and the gov't found out people were actually more productive than when they were in the office. With that information there is absolutely no reason for places to try and force people to come back into the office full-time. Yet that is exactly what some have done and other are trying to do. What other reason would they have to do that other than a making a power play against the employees.

I dont disagree, but It's more complicated than that.... Some companies are on that power trip bs, but not all. My company isn't forcing us back in the office, but they have a lease on an office building and they lose money as that building isn't occupied, but they still have to pay for it. We actually put one of our IT campuses up for sale in 2021. As far as hiring, I try to get my team as much increase as possible, but we have to operate within hr given parameters and they provide salary recommendations based on market. When the market is remote and you in Missouri competing with Cali based salaries, then it's a game of constant adjustments. That's not a bad thing for the employee right now.

 

[DMorgan]

Yung I swear since I was a teenager these stories have been coming out about replacing workers. Between that and these bullshit propaganda stories about how nobody wants to work, which the media has literally been pushing in newspapers for over 100 years, it's been a long slow ride to brainwashing people into thinking that shit is true and automated everything is the way to go

Wild part about the automated shit at the grocery store the shit is always fucking up and a person has to come over there and put in the code to override that dumb ass machine.

If I got the time which I do most times in the grocery store. Even if the line is longer I go to a person. I ain't come to the store ring up and bag my own groceries.

FUCK SELF CHECK-OUT!!!

 

[ZMaKEa]

Yung I swear since I was a teenager these stories have been coming out about replacing workers. Between that and these bullshit propaganda stories about how nobody wants to work, which the media has literally been pushing in newspapers for over 100 years, it's been a long slow ride to brainwashing people into thinking that shit is true and automated everything is the way to go

I believe we should automate everything. The issue is workers have zero control over their workplaces and at the mercy of capitalists who own everything. So automation will never benefit workers.

Automation under the control of workers mean people work less and more free time and people get paid the same. Instead of 40 hour work weeks, there's 32.

Automation under the control of capitalists mean capitalists make more profit and people out of work. Instead of automation the aide of workers, it becomes a tool to crush them .

Human beings been figuring out ways to reduce work since the beginning of time and some how we work more than our ancestors medieval ancestors did despite having work saving technology.

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html#:~:text=Consider%20a%20typical%20working%20day,customary%20afternoon%20nap%2C%20and%20dinner

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Capitalists making people work longer than necessary to squeeze out profit. Artificially raise prices of goods and services to meet shareholder goals. Then when people rightly say they need to be paid more, they replace people with machines using the revenue workers generated.

This whole thing is just the serpent eating the tail.

 

[DMorgan]

I dont disagree, but It's more complicated than that.... Some companies are on that power trip bs, but not all. My company isn't forcing us back in the office, but they have a lease on an office building and they lose money as that building isn't occupied, but they still have to pay for it. We actually put one of our IT campuses up for sale in 2021. As far as hiring, I try to get my team as much increase as possible, but we have to operate within hr given parameters and they provide salary recommendations based on market. When the market is remote and you in Missouri competing with Cali based salaries, then it's a game of constant adjustments.

Of course we're not speaking in absolutes. So neither of our comments is speaking for each and every company.

The thing is all of this part of capitalism. Most leases have a buyout in it or one that can be negotiated.

That is part of the options employees should've always had. Most of these execs just mad because now that means they basically can't take 95+% of the profits cause they have to pay people a lil more. These places always want the employees to make adjustments and now shit is the other way around and they complaining. Deal with just like they've been telling the employees since forever. It's always been said management makes the big money because of their brains well they need to use their brains and figure the shit out to everybody benefit or fail. It's the capitalistic way.

 

[AZTG]

Dont let then use labor shortage as an excuse.

Unemployment is historically low.

Mfers is working. Mfers just aint working those jobs cause those jobs aint paying.

They keep making it sound like theres a ton of unemployed people getting govt benefits that refuse to work.

But facts is facts. Unemployment is lower than its ever been.

 

[DMorgan]

This time was always coming. IMO it's not even on a full blown scale yet. Both sides just digging in and prepping for a fight.

As much as some people in their late 30s and up complain about the youngins in their 20s. These 20 somethings is actually going to help the late 30s and up crowd get paid more and have more freedom of choice of where they work from. At the moment a lot are willing to say fuck the system and use the internet and other shit to survive until employers make some concessions.

They may be some young assholes but at the same time they ain't going for some of the shit older generations went for from the employee and employer standpoint.

 

[SneakDZA]

It's kinda weird. After the pandemic, a lot of people decided they didn't want to work shit jobs for shit wages, and never went back. A lot of companies like the Fast Food restaurants whined about how difficult it was for them to find workers, but most of them didn't really address the issue (i.e., low wages). Now most of them are turning to means of cutting the workers out of the picture. I think this is really what those companies wanted all along.

At the same time at least here in jersey the fast food places start at $15/hour but still can't find people yet these hooligans want to go around trying car doors at night trying to steal loose change and and shit. If that ain't hustling backwards I don't know what is.

 

[4thaLove]

At the same time at least here in jersey the fast food places start at $15/hour but still can't find people yet these hooligans want to go around trying car doors at night trying to steal loose change and and shit. If that ain't hustling backwards I don't know what is.

Word it's probably the worst borough to live in

 

[LurkerSix]

This is what demanding $15/hr minimum wage creates: The Burger flipping robot.

https://themindunleashed.com/2020/02/burger-robot-replace-fast-food-workers.html?fbclid=IwAR1yK7tcKb6pyaJwBbRwmSHH-OcU2vWP_AIhqM2bRYuPHapllvMg3YNPGRQ Last year international fast-food chain McDonald’s reported they would begin employing automated fryer robots throughout their different branches...

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Uhhh, yea no not really. Its more like this..

These corporations been working on robots replacing people for years. That shit has nothing to do with a labor shortage or the raising of minimum wage. It was always about corporations finding ways to increase profits. Free labor has always been the best way to do that. With robots they now have a free labor force that won't rebel, they don't have pay for health insurance and probably have to follow less OSHA guidelines.

To add to this, for years they'd pump out propaganda and threaten with what @konceptjones post, to keep in wage from rising. Then after they succeed in keeping legislation from passing, they quietly start rolling out self check outs, kiosks ect. So idk why people keep repeating that lie like they dont have eyes. And tbh, i noticed more often than not its a particular age group that keeps saying it too.

This is like the restaurant industry claiming they'll all go outa business if we end tipping. They boldly lie like we're the only western country with restaurants and we cant cite examples of other places that pay their workers and some how stay in business. Young people today not bout to strung along with lies like some of these older generations. No one trying to hear that maybe if we work hard for years and years for nothing, that maybe one day we might get a living wage.

 

[AZTG]

Call it what it is.

Automation is the highest threat to jobs. But call it that. Dont call it labor shortage.

Im a culprit. I been writing scripts automating manual processes for companies for years. It sucks ass but a bunch of people lost their jobs off that.

And now im heading automation and robotics for a company and just scriped something that does something in a few hours that would have taken weeks. So a bunch of potential hires dont get hired.

And im in IT. This is happening all over.

But call it that.

Dont make it sound like people dont wanna work.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Call it what it is.

Automation is the highest threat to jobs. But call it that. Dont call it labor shortage.

Im a culprit. I been writing scripts automating manual processes for companies for years. It sucks ass but a bunch of people lost their jobs off that.

And now im heading automation and robotics for a company and just scriped something that does something in a few hours that would have taken weeks. So a bunch of potential hires dont get hired.

And im in IT. This is happening all over.

But call it that.

Dont make it sound like people dont wanna work.

Andrew Yang was making good points about that shit and how to respond to it before he became an actual politician and changed up.

 

[AZTG]

Andrew Yang was making good points about that shit and how to respond to it before he became an actual politician and changed up.

Its a huge issue.

Cause people hear work being automated and they think humanoid robots doing the work and end up being like nah thats decades away.

But really when you go to quickcheck and grab a drink and go to self checkout, that self checkout counter is a robot.

We talking self driving trucks, self driving ubers, and self driving taxis. Some of that is already here (self driving trucks) and others are coming soon. Thats robots.

Thats mad jobs lost.

 

[Dwayne]

Reboots/automation been taking jobs taking jobs since forever

 

[AZTG]

Let’s also discuss weed.


Decriminalize it at a federal level. Then tell me it’s a workers shortage.

Yep. And follow that with decriminalizing all drugs

 

[konceptjones]

Wild part about the automated shit at the grocery store the shit is always fucking up and a person has to come over there and put in the code to override that dumb ass machine.

If I got the time which I do most times in the grocery store. Even if the line is longer I go to a person. I ain't come to the store ring up and bag my own groceries.

FUCK SELF CHECK-OUT!!!

I had a broad at the grocery store lookin at me like I was speaking Chinese or some shit when she tried to get me to go to a self checkout and I said "Nah I ain't doin that, I don't work here."

 

[konceptjones]

Uhhh, yea no not really. Its more like this..



To add to this, for years they'd pump out propaganda and threaten with what @konceptjones post, to keep in wage from rising. Then after they succeed in keeping legislation from passing, they quietly start rolling out self check outs, kiosks ect. So idk why people keep repeating that lie like they dont have eyes. And tbh, i noticed more often than not its a particular age group that keeps saying it too.

This is like the restaurant industry claiming they'll all go outa business if we end tipping. They boldly lie like we're the only western country with restaurants and we cant cite examples of other places that pay their workers and some how stay in business. Young people today not bout to strung along with lies like some of these older generations. No one trying to hear that maybe if we work hard for years and years for nothing, that maybe one day we might get a living wage.

Bruh, I'm from Michigan and my family is generations deep in the plant, nothing I said was "propaganda", the shit already happened in the plant.

Back in the 70's they said robots would change the assembly line. Niggas thought it was just Japan on that shit until they showed up at the plants here in the 80's and slowly started putting folks out of work. UAW would strike for pay increases, execs got tired of it: here comes the robots. Same scenario here: They yellin about higher pay; welp, here come the robots.

Maybe if minimum wage workers were more reasonable they would have something by now. But we've been having this conversation since 2013 on the IC and ain't nobody got shit yet and we're closing in on 10 years. Maybe if they had came like "Aiight, $10-$11 minimum wage" they would have had that long ago and it would have been a stepping stone to the $15 they been yelling about. But all this time and no traction and now robots and self-service kiosks are appearing in those jobs; they all played themselves and it ain't gonna get any better.

 

[SeaSnake]

Wild part about the automated shit at the grocery store the shit is always fucking up and a person has to come over there and put in the code to override that dumb ass machine.

If I got the time which I do most times in the grocery store. Even if the line is longer I go to a person. I ain't come to the store ring up and bag my own groceries.

FUCK SELF CHECK-OUT!!!

bruh my god that mess annoying

 

[DMorgan]

I had a broad at the grocery store lookin at me like I was speaking Chinese or some shit when she tried to get me to go to a self checkout and I said "Nah I ain't doin that, I don't work here."

Exactly like WTF is wrong with these people. Dumb ass don't even realize bitch you keep pushing people to self-checkout your ass gonna be out of a job.

 

[LurkerSix]

Bruh, I'm from Michigan and my family is generations deep in the plant, nothing I said was "propaganda", the shit already happened in the plant.

Back in the 70's they said robots would change the assembly line. Niggas thought it was just Japan on that shit until they showed up at the plants here in the 80's and slowly started putting folks out of work. UAW would strike for pay increases, execs got tired of it: here comes the robots. Same scenario here: They yellin about higher pay; welp, here come the robots.

Maybe if minimum wage workers were more reasonable they would have something by now. But we've been having this conversation since 2013 on the IC and ain't nobody got shit yet and we're closing in on 10 years. Maybe if they had came like "Aiight, $10-$11 minimum wage" they would have had that long ago and it would have been a stepping stone to the $15 they been yelling about. But all this time and no traction and now robots and self-service kiosks are appearing in those jobs; they all played themselves and it ain't gonna get any better.

Stuff from 40 years ago in a giant automotive assembly line is a horrible example for you to use, but it lowkey proves 1 of my points. They spend money to prevent raising wages and claim they cant afford it, wages dont get raised, then as they silently spend money figuring how to cut jobs anyway. Robots were coming to certain assembly plants regardless of pay. Its literally impossible for a human to weld as fast and as accurate as a robot. Execs knew this, but where pretending like it was UAW's fault.

As for the second part, from just reading that I can tell that you dont really care or follow any of this. Just repeat the same thing you always say without reading up on anything. Seems like in your mind you're right and unless someone is agreeing with you, you dont care to listen.

Because if you were discussing this since 2013 you'd really notice that since then the Federal min wage has been the same. Its still $7.25. So how have people played themselves when they've been calling for an increased min wage, and havent gotten it?
Seems to me, the people that have played themselves are the ones that have been saying if they raise the min wage, they'd give jobs robots. They didnt raise shit and still gave jobs to robots. How do you explain that?

 

[LurkerSix]

Bruh, I'm from Michigan and my family is generations deep in the plant, nothing I said was "propaganda", the shit already happened in the plant.

Back in the 70's they said robots would change the assembly line. Niggas thought it was just Japan on that shit until they showed up at the plants here in the 80's and slowly started putting folks out of work. UAW would strike for pay increases, execs got tired of it: here comes the robots. Same scenario here: They yellin about higher pay; welp, here come the robots.

Maybe if minimum wage workers were more reasonable they would have something by now. But we've been having this conversation since 2013 on the IC and ain't nobody got shit yet and we're closing in on 10 years. Maybe if they had came like "Aiight, $10-$11 minimum wage" they would have had that long ago and it would have been a stepping stone to the $15 they been yelling about. But all this time and no traction and now robots and self-service kiosks are appearing in those jobs; they all played themselves and it ain't gonna get any better.

I just remembered something else. You're standing up for the same American automotive companies in the 70's & 80's that purposely made low quality cars, just so they could make even more profit from production AND from people having to constantly replace parts.

In the 70s & 80s the big 3 where Kings and Japanese cares werent even really a factor then. The main reason people started buying Japanese cars was cuz they were more reliable, fuel efficient, & high quality.

American execs fucked their own company just to line their own pockets and they've been trying play catch up since the 90s from all the customers they've lost cuz of their antics.