Question is this fair.......
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Disanthrope
Inconvenient truth + Necessary evil
They just made a movie on Wendy Williams...
Why didn't they hire a trans actress if its all the same huh???
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
i said a study in 2015 ?????
the article you posted was from 2021
youre arguing just argue
stfu
Rubato
it only matters to us
Read this again, you reversed it
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
ppl have to unpack their transphobia because the topic deserves way more nuance than whats been given
Race Jones
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Rubato
it only matters to us
No that screenshot wasn’t from that study
That was from the better more recent study, I was showing the contrast
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
well clarify next time. youre throwing out random screenshots with 0 context. where did it come from?
i was referring to the article about the olympic edge from nbcnews that goes into more detail than the one you posted from the guardian
Race Jones
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Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds
Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones
www.theguardian.com
Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds
The findings raise questions about current Olympic guidelines, but the lead author cautions against using them to back bans in recreational and school sports.
www.nbcnews.com
I have no issues with transgender people... But this is a relatively new thing with competing in sports.
It's a difference. Studies, research, articles may expound on that difference and they may eventually come to a reasonable condition where trans athletes can participate fairly and safely.
But we ain't there yet. And since challenging this is so controversial, folk are allowing some ridiculous matches that aren't just ruining competition.... It's getting people hurt.
It's definitely an interesting topic. But the whole letting women get dominated by transgenders in physical sports like mma, boxing, football, shit even soccer and basketball where colliding happen....a lot of women will be seriously injured if this continues
Rubato
it only matters to us
That’s fair
What I’m gathering is it seems to be case by case but there are certainly some individuals with a clear advantage. I would argue that each time that happens it’s problematic.
Race Jones
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plus the study started out biased, used unequal sample sizes, used data from current transgender members, who already partially went through the opposite genders training, to data for the cis sample that is outdated...
if this study wanted to stay impartial all data should be taken from current members as the training was reformed in 2018
if this study wanted to stay impartial all data should be taken from current members as the training was reformed in 2018
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
hey man idk. i cant speak to what is or what isnt because of the lack of research surronding the topic.
i refuse to take a hard stance right now.
i do know that societal attitudes shape these kinds of issues and the language being thrown around in this thread makes me believe that it has less to do with folks caring about cisgender men/women losing competitions to trans athletes and more to do with ppls biases and disapproval of transgender persons altogether.
Disanthrope
Inconvenient truth + Necessary evil
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
hormones or not,
“transgender men (female-to-male athletes) will be allowed to compete without any restrictions (based on the sexist assumption, I suppose, that trans men could never dominate their sports). Trans women, meanwhile, are no longer required to undergo gender-reassignment surgery to compete in female divisions, and the previously mandated two-year wait after transitioning has been jettisoned.
To compete, a trans woman athlete is required only to declare her gender as “female” and have testosterone levels comparable to or below those of cisgender women.”
so you cant compete if youre not taking hormones on the olympic level
on the HS level you can only compete with those of your assigned sex if not on HRT
Disanthrope
Inconvenient truth + Necessary evil
Rubato
it only matters to us
As the parent of a daughter I would just hate for her to be in the position where she has trained for years to be the best at something, only to lose to someone who was competing against men a year ago
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
attitudes are changing and a more inclusive society is on the horizon.
get down or lay down
get down or lay down
Disanthrope
Inconvenient truth + Necessary evil
It's all a distraction foolattitudes are changing and a more inclusive society is on the horizon.
get down or lay down