2020 NFL Season Thread

Bow to Royalty said:
You're comparing last year to this year, and saying one difference is we had one of the worst defenses in the league last year. I let you know they have mostly the same personnel and their numbers show they were pretty good last year.

I did say a big issue for the defense was Winston fuckin up. You have to be able to think at a deeper than surface level.

Let's say a QB throws an INT brought back to the 10. Then the defense gets a sack on 1st, 2nd., and 3rd down. Then the team kicks a 45 yard field goal. That's 3 points allowed. Then let's say another team allows a 75 yard drive that ends in a FG. You're saying those defenses performed the same because they both allowed 3 points. That's why just looking at points allowed is thinking too basic. And that's how turnovers can fuck a defense.
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I said y’all were 29th in points allowed those other numbers are meaningless if y’all are trash at the stat that matters the most.

Addressing the bold, it goes back to what I said before you’re basically saying every time the defense failed it was indirectly or directly because of Jameis? Because if they were 29th in defense then there’s a good chance there were games where they gave up leads as well, does that not put the offense in a bad spot? Since we’re playing that game?
 
5th Letter said:
I said y’all were 29th in points allowed those other numbers are meaningless if y’all are trash at the stat that matters the most.

Addressing the bold, it goes back to what I said before you’re basically saying every time the defense failed it was indirectly or directly because of Jameis? Because if they were 29th in defense then there’s a good chance there were games where they gave up leads as well, does that not put the offense in a bad spot? Since we’re playing that game?
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Bruuuh, it's so hard to help you think it comes across like you're a troll.

This is the Texans game last year. It went down as the defense giving up 23 points, but you can see the Texans offense was kinda shut down. They had 1 TD, turned the ball over twice, and had about 250 total yards of offense.

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Jameis threw a pick 6 on the first drive (7 points against the defense as far as points allowed), then threw an INT that let the Texans start at our 23 (they were held to 5 yards and kicked a FG...10 points allowed... only 5 yards allowed by the defense so far). Later Peyton Barber fumbled and the Texans started at the Bucs 42. They scored a TD there.

That's 17 points allowed on 47 yards of offense... and you can't see how only judging by points allowed isn't a good way to evaluate? I dunno how much clearer I can make it for you.
 

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Winston threw 7 pick 6's last season. That's 49-ish points held against the defense without them even being on the field. And you're asking how he fucked up the defense?
 
Bow to Royalty said:
Bruuuh, it's so hard to help you think it comes across like you're a troll.

This is the Texans game last year. It went down as the defense giving up 23 points, but you can see the Texans offense was kinda shut down. They had 1 TD, turned the ball over twice, and had about 250 total yards of offense.

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Jameis threw a pick 6 on the first drive (7 points against the defense as far as points allowed), then threw an INT that let the Texans start at our 23 (they were held to 5 yards and kicked a FG...10 points allowed... only 5 yards allowed by the defense so far). Later Peyton Barber fumbled and the Texans started at the Bucs 42. They scored a TD there.

That's 17 points allowed on 47 yards of offense... and you can't see how only judging by points allowed isn't a good way to evaluate? I dunno how much clearer I can make it for you.
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I understand that. Showing me plays where Jameis threw a bad pick didn’t answer my question. But you’re dodging.
 
5th Letter said:
I understand that. Showing me plays where Jameis threw a bad pick didn’t answer my question. But you’re dodging.
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What's the question? You said we had a terrible defense last year based only off points allowed, but a good defense this year. I let you know the defense is pretty much the same, but the defense isn't getting fucked by the QB the same.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
What's the question? You said we had a terrible defense last year based only off points allowed, but a good defense this year. I let you know the defense is pretty much the same, but the defense isn't getting fucked by the QB the same.
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We’re going around in circles now. Why should I repeat the same thing?
 
Its obvious that defenses dont respect that long ball,.and they know the quick throws arent coming so there arent really any easy yards in the run game. The Buc offense sequences are as painful to watch as Cam Newtons throwing motion.

You got Evan's, a big guy that can make body position catches. You got AB that can get YAC and make body position catches. A couple of Bradys throws were just to a general area, Phillp Rivers shit..

It's just hard to convince me that Arians doesnt have a personal vendetta against Brady. Like not only does he want him to suffer he wants the world to know hes not who he once was.
 
Alle'Oop said:
Its obvious that defenses dont respect that long ball,.and they know the quick throws arent coming so there arent really any easy yards in the run game. The Buc offense sequences are as painful to watch as Cam Newtons throwing motion.

You got Evan's, a big guy that can make body position catches. You got AB that can get YAC and make body position catches. A couple of Bradys throws were just to a general area, Phillp Rivers shit..

It's just hard to convince me that Arians doesnt have a personal vendetta against Brady. Like not only does he want him to suffer he wants the world to know hes not who he once was.
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I'm torn because I get what you're saying. But I'm also thinking shouldn't Brady be able to perform like a higher level QB? He's not mobile, so we don't ask him to move outside the pocket. On top of that we're not supposed to ask him to throw deep passes?

At what point do your weaknesses handcuff the offense? I can't put it all on BA/BL.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
I'm torn because I get what you're saying. But I'm also thinking shouldn't Brady be able to perform like a higher level QB? He's not mobile, so we don't ask him to move outside the pocket. On top of that we're not supposed to ask him to throw deep passes?

At what point do your weaknesses handcuff the offense? I can't put it all on BA/BL.
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I honestly think that the passing gane hits for yall once yall establish the run. Just from what ive been seeing...when RoJo is cooking Brady has a good night

but just straight dropping back and throwing bombs aint it no more for Brady...although that was never really his game sans the one season with Moss
 
Folks keep saying Bucs need to run the Brady offense.

They don’t have the WRs to run that IMO
 
Damn. Brady has the most missed throws with a clean pocket.

That boy is really washed Lololololol
 
BDP™️ said:
I honestly think that the passing gane hits for yall once yall establish the run. Just from what ive been seeing...when RoJo is cooking Brady has a good night

but just straight dropping back and throwing bombs aint it no more for Brady...although that was never really his game sans the one season with Moss
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See above
 
BDP™️ said:
I honestly think that the passing gane hits for yall once yall establish the run. Just from what ive been seeing...when RoJo is cooking Brady has a good night

but just straight dropping back and throwing bombs aint it no more for Brady...although that was never really his game sans the one season with Moss
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Oh hell ya we abandon the run too much. Rojo is a decent back, but they don't want to run him much. I completely blame the coaches for not letting the run game help the passing game.
 
I mean teams dont respect the long ball, so they often play single high with man outside. That leaves so many people in the box. When you see them run, it's like the whole teams defense be in the hole wit the back.
 
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