DE, i said it was either one of the scenes when Scott went to one of those shelters OR the season finale montage
you just totally disregarded the first part of my post
OPINION The Wire - A Hindsight Discussion
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you just totally disregarded the first part of my post
Black Caesar
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What episode? I didn't catch that.
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HarryHippie
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Avon wasnt in imminent danger with Brother and I didn’t take that as a confirmation they were going to kidnap him
It was a reference to what they did to Brandon, his lover
In the end, they both sold each other out. I swear at this moment for the first time, I actually lean more towards Avon perspective up until
But putting those two on a collision course was sloppy. That half measure shit(breaking bad). Avon might’ve been pissed but you knew it was working. Let him be pissed. But Stringer was trying to maneuver that transition phase of being Honcho. Too many maneuvers, one caught up
It was a reference to what they did to Brandon, his lover
In the end, they both sold each other out. I swear at this moment for the first time, I actually lean more towards Avon perspective up until
But putting those two on a collision course was sloppy. That half measure shit(breaking bad). Avon might’ve been pissed but you knew it was working. Let him be pissed. But Stringer was trying to maneuver that transition phase of being Honcho. Too many maneuvers, one caught up
Black Caesar
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Omar told Stringer Bell they were going torture Avon. You can't torture without kidnapping first. Go back to the clip I posted of Stringer's death. He flat out says it. It also could have been a reference as well to Brandon, but TRUST they were going to get the info from Avon one way or another.
Loved your take on it.
Stringer was trying to transition out of the game. They were almost there, but they destroyed each other and too many variables were in play. The police actually got Stringer on tape, so he was going down even before getting killed, and Avon would have gone to jail because Stringer already snitched.
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313 Wayz
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Great breakdown......this and other subplots shows how dope the writing and character development was
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Didnt you hear about the last nigga who swung @ me
David Simon in an interview said one of the themes of the show is the underlying effect of reputation or what ppl think of u
deadeye
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Nah, you got that part wrong.
When Omar said......."we didn't have to torture his ass either"......he was implying that they didn't have to do Avon the way the Barksdale crew did his boy Brandon.
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Basically letting Stringer know that Avon was cool with them killing him (Stringer)....and also letting Stringer know that that they didn't have to resort to the same kinds of methods as the Barksdale crew to get what they wanted.
Part of Omar's code I suppose.
There was never a plan to torture Avon.
Yeah IDK where he getting they was gonna Kidnap Avon and torture him for info on Stringer.
1. The kidnap/torture shit wasn't Brother Mouzone rolled.
2. Omar ain't have no crew to even execute a plan like that. The one chick got shot in the shoot out at the Barksdale stash house, which made Kimmie quit. And Brother & Lamar took Omar's boy so they could find him.
I looked at that scene yesterday and Omar didn't say torture he said they didn't have to coax Avon to give up Stringer.
Black Caesar
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I don't disagree with this, but do you really think Mouzone wouldn't have gotten the info out of Avon one way or the other?
Avon was ready to part ways anyway...he was just looking for an opportunity
so i dont think it would've been that difficult at all
You doing what Du was doing earlier in the thread and assuming.
It's a reason Brother hit Avon with the rep shit, cuz he knew Avon lived on it.
Black Caesar
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I know. I mentioned it in my earlier post, but when @AP21 broke that part down about "implying" it made sense.
My post was MY interpretation of the scene.
Black Caesar
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I don't think he was looking for a way out. He was still doing business with String even after he admitted that he killed D'Angelo. Not only that, Avon even defended String when his sister Brianna was questioning Avon about her son. I feel that it was ugly business that had to be handled, and he accepted that. Don't forget that D'Angelo didn't want to rock with Avon anymore after he discovered that he could have been killed by an overdose when he was locked up. Remember Avon tried to coax him into not doing drugs without even telling his nephew the REAL reason.
nah man
Avon had checked out. I think he was willing to look past the D'Angelo murder, but like he kept saying over and over...he not a suit and tie nigga and Stringer was. He was fully engulfed in that street life and it was only going to be a matter of time before he himself probably took matters into his own hands.
Black Caesar
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I don't agree, but love your perspective. Remember, after Stringer got killed, Avon at had regrets and said to Slim that he was ready to be on some money shit.
good counter
unless, he was just playing the role b/c thats what he was supposed to feel like
did charles know what the move was? i didnt think so
Black Caesar
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Charles didn't care about the move. He's a soldier. One's bodies started dropping, there was no squashing anything. Even if Stringer's death had nothing to do with it. Bodies were dropping before String got murked.