Bobjones
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That's feeling pressure to have sex, not actually having sex. Big difference.
That's feeling pressure to have sex, not actually having sex. Big difference.
JohnSmithCAN
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The older you get as you resist to peer pressure, the greater you will notice how your male and female peers are going to treat you differently. If you are still virginally chaste after age 16, you're deemed a creep. If you're doing it mire or less on your own, you're a self-righteous creep. And if you keep getting around without ever losing your virginity, then your are both a self-righteous creep and a freak because it does means you pose a greater threat if you lose your virginity, but nonetheless needs you to bring down to their level regardless.
I personally knew people who admitted they had an inferiority complex about me or hated me because I used to be still a virgin and didn't get through all the regrets they took. I also knew girls and a 18-years old woman back to secondary school who wither attempted to molest me or actually did, simply because my both chastity, naiveté and/or reticences regarding sex made them upset.
People were freaking out like Delilahs.
More than half of teen boys had sex due to peer pressure. You're reaching to avoid admitting toxic masculinity is an issue lol.
https://www.thebodypro.com/article/teens-report-peer-pressure-sex
JohnSmithCAN
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A lot of all my ex-friends did have sex in their teenage years because they felt peer pressure.
When you are 13 or 14 years old (lest for my age group. The younger ones as wepp as the Generation Z are pressured into giving coital sex since age 10 in Quebec) and you are not watching South Park, neither porn nor performing Onanism, you wind up labelled as a weirdo by others.
Bobjones
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That article gives one stat ratio for feelings of pressure, then a separate stat for a ratio of teens engaging in sexual acts. It doesn't draw a definitive link as to how much of that sex is pressured or just sex for pleasure, normal as can be.
You're an idiot.
Right, people bash me for being a male virgin because they feel bad about having sex at the wrong place and time. They wish they could go back in time and fix their bad choices lol.
You're very ignorant for arguing with facts. Fu-- you and fu-- your groundless opinion.
Bobjones
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Bruh, nowhere in both of the articles u posted does it mention having had sex because of peer pressure. It mentions mere feelings of pressure. We don't know how much of this pressure is actually leading to sex for the sake of validation and identity. That's all I'm trying to explain to you.
I'm not denying teens don't ever experience peer pressure or give in to that pressure. I just don't believe it's as prevalent an issue as you're making it out to be. It's the rare person who has a fucked up Lil Boosie mindset where sex is seen as a rite of passage or a matter of personal worth and identity.
Not to mention some of that peer pressure to be sexually active isn't rooted in toxic masculinity alone. There are other factors at play here. U gotta stop thinking in black and white.
JohnSmithCAN
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Exactly.
BrotherZ
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Not trying to bash you or anything but you're a little too close to this for you to see this argument unbiased.
This reaction tells me either your somewhere between 18-24 and possibly haven't fully accepted your sexuality yet. and no, I don't mean being gay or straight for the folks with low IQs.
What I mean is, if you're an adult virgin, its okay my guy. One day you'll meet someone that will give you that moment and hopefully it'll be special. Sex is one of those things that a hell of alot more enjoyable when you don't force it too much anyway.
I say all this praying this thread isn't a way to misdirect the blame for a forceful encounter you're now regretting. cause homie it does start to seem that may be the case.
JohnSmithCAN
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It doesn't change the fact he brought a factual source about a social phenomenon none only we are all familiar about, but has been subjected as a running gag or dramatic plot at any teen drama or comedy fiction since the fucking 1970s, passing out from Stephen Hawkings's breakthrough supernatural horror novel 'Carrie' to the controversial Netflix show '13 Reasons Why' without ignoring Brat Pack movies, 1990s teen movies, and the entire 'American Pie' film franchise.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4766019/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/articles/200305/peer-pressure-and-teen-sex
https://www.teensource.org/hookup/what-peer-pressure
We have to be really childish or hypocritical to pretend we never see someone, being pressured oneself or bullied somebody else into taking a dive into sex in teenage and early adult years.
Especially when we have a half-dozen of niggas in this forum who are not-so-lowkey gloating about how their twenty years older MILF neighbor or white teacher sucked their virginal Humpty Dumpties when they were 15, 13 or even fucking 9 yesrs old (we got a nigga who brag about how he get raped at age 9 and he want to persuade everyone that's okay) ...
BrotherZ
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But that wasn't the original statement though. He was talking about how toxic masculinity is responsible for rape and I don't buy that. I see the convo has changed a few times since then but it all feels derived to fit a narrative where the OP is trying to excuse the unacceptable behavior of rape by saying "peer pressure" or "Toxic Masculity" made someone do it.
I could shoot someone in cold blood right now and unless MY life was in direct danger, it would still be murder. At this point, all this conversation is doing is passing the buck to excuse a heinous act like rape.
This isn't a discussion anymore. its a glorified echo chamber to make someone feel better about wanting to rape.
Rubato
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This right here
JohnSmithCAN
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Your argument doesn't make sense, because you're labelling him as somebody who tries to glorify the desire of rape when this is not about it.
Accusing somebody of making an echo chamber by building yourselves an adhacent room is like shooting yourselves on the feet while pointing at another one's bleeding hole in his shoe. You have right to not agree on a point made, but by deflecting and bouncing the ball around with second-grader personal attacks and plausible deniability tactics about one of the most familiarly covered sociological topics over the past half-century, you are certainly not disqualifying his premice.
People have to refute the argument on toxic masculinity by explaining what other factor/s may have been responsible to the reinforcement this factual phenomenon amid boys and young men, not refuting the fact itself so to speak the said phrnomenon.
BrotherZ
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Of the "studies" shown, there was no clear correlation between a person that committed rape AND them specifically citing Toxic Masculinity as the motivation behind said rape.
Peer pressure =/= toxic masculinity.
While the actions look the same, they are not inherently the same. You two have failed to prove where toxic masculinity has led to an increase in rape cases. peer pressure may be the cause for more men unwillingly having sex when they are not ready but that maturity problem, not society.
Let's make one thing clear. No one is placing a gun to your head. no one is constantly berating you and no one is in the room FORCING you to sleep with anyone against your will. Anything else is a choice and this is starting to look like an excuse for said choice.
The bare minimum ground I can give you is that virgins shouldn't be shitted on by other men for simply choosing not to engage in sex. The actions of said virgin is still their responsibility.
No one has to refute the argument on toxic masculitiny because your defense is based on conjecture and not facts. even the polls listed previously only point at peer pressure as a source for sexual "motivation".
JohnSmithCAN
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Here now what I call an argument.
However, the premice of your point, while refuting the statement given by Isaiah about toxic masculinity being a prevailing factor behind peer-pressure enacted sex let alome about peer pressure having amything to do with it, may flirts with the greater premice about which statuory rape and defilement done against minors under age of consent hold no legal value neither.
The idea sex is an achievement for men is harmful because it's saying men need sex to be "real men." It also promotes sexual assault to men. If a woman rapes a man, people will disregard the man because at least he's "getting pussy." If a man says "no" then it means exactly that.
When men get jealous of me attracting loads of women, they're misinterpreting things because of toxic masculinity. They seem to think i'm an alpha male and think they failed as men for not attracting the same amount. It's far from the truth. When i get romantic/sexual with women, it's because we liked each other's personalities enough to do that. I don't do it to prove how "manly" i am.
