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What Is R&B

OhMars

OhMars

MEH!
Specifically with female singer it seems like the of "Pop" (whatever that means) and R&B is blurred. So what makes something R&B?

Is Rihanna R&B?
Is Beyonce R&B?
Is Lizzo R&B?

I think tempo of the music is what drives the definition for me.
 
Pop started as a category for white people making black music, then later turned into music popular artists makes regardless of genre. Hip hop is pretty much pop now.

Beyonce and Rihanna are Rnb artists. They've made other genres of music but they mainly make RnB.
 
Goldie said:
Beyonce and Rihanna are Rnb artists. They've made other genres of music but they mainly make RnB
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I don't know man.
If I can transpose you for Miley Cyrus or Pink I don't think that's R&B

Maybe they are a subcategory of R&B. But they ain't the essence.
To me Alicia Keys and HER are pure R&B.

I'd be hard pressed to say HER and Rihanna make the same kinda music.

Then you have an artist like SZA that does both so well it's hard to pin them down.
 
OhMars said:
I don't know man.
If I can transpose you for Miley Cyrus or Pink I don't think that's R&B

Maybe they are a subcategory of R&B. But they ain't the essence.
To me Alicia Keys and HER are pure R&B.

I'd be hard pressed to say HER and Rihanna make the same kinda music.

Then you have an artist like SZA that does both so well it's hard to pin them down.
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There's more than one kind of Rnb fam. Rick James and Curtis Mayfield didn't make the same rnb.


And plus you named 2 white chicks who appropriated black culture.
 
Goldie said:
There's more than one kind of Rnb fam. Rick James and Curtis Mayfield didn't make the same rnb.


And plus you named 2 white chicks who appropriated black culture.
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That's my point. It ain't pure r&b that they are singing, including Rick James. It's a subgenre

Again thats my point, if an imitation can feel your shoes thats pop. Word to your definition of Pop.
 
OhMars said:
That's my point. It ain't pure r&b that they are singing, including Rick James. It's a subgenre

Again thats my point, if an imitation can feel your shoes thats pop. Word to your definition of Pop.
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You're trying to put RnB in a box.

Mos Def is hip hop and 3-6 is hip hop. There's not one kind of Hip hop, just like there's not one kind of RnB.

You had smokey robinson and u had james brown. You had Dangelo and u had Usher. There's not only 1 style of RnB.
 
Goldie said:
You're trying to put RnB in a box.

Mos Def is hip hop and 3-6 is hip hop. There's not one kind of Hip hop, just like there's not one kind of RnB.

You had smokey robinson and u had james brown. You had Dangelo and u had Usher. There's not only 1 style of RnB.
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That's what im saying. There probably should be subgenres.
But since we don't have them, it's either a pass or fail to me.

It's a little easier to define in hiphop, because even in if the styles differ, they all share a core element. Drum dominate beats and rhymes.

With R&B there really is no core element besides tempo from what I can discern.

So if Rihanna is R&B so is Miley and Pink.
 
OhMars said:
That's what im saying. There probably should be subgenres.
But since we don't have them, it's either a pass or fail to me.

It's a little easier to define in hiphop, because even in if the styles differ, they all share a core element. Drum dominate beats and rhymes.

With R&B there really is no core element besides tempo from what I can discern.

So if Rihanna is R&B so is Miley and Pink.
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I agree, i never subscribed to the whole "pop" thing.
 
GNS said:
What is love?
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Love=Time x Like. Love is based upon the past.

Also...
Baby don't hurt me, no more (pause)
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Best examples of RnB right now imo mainstream I’ve heard

Ari Lennox
Sza
Kelela
Snoh Allegra
Adele
Summer Walker
Mereba
Emeli Sande

It’s probably a sick genre opposed to dying, far removed from its heyday . I enjoy it for what it is. When we talking RnB, I consider Anita the Apex, so that’s not what we dealing with today. Those women are gems in their own right
 
There’s a skill and nuance to RnB

Bryson Tiller I enjoy. Trap Soul is a classic and I listened to consistently for about 4 years, it’s not RnB. Some sub genre which he acknowledges. When singers are saying words really fast and speaking verses, that’s not RnB. Sub genre

4 is Beyonce doing RnB and it’s a great album
 
to me R&B = slow jams

it aint dance music, party music, trap soul, none of that

it either makes you wanna fuck or cry......or both? lol
 
All I have to say is that Erykah Badu is the best African American singer over the past 20 years and I wouldn't label her as a R&B singer,

I'd consider Erykah Badu Neo Soul. Same for Jill Scott, India Irie and a few other gals.

My point is that Beyonce and Erykah Badu don't belong in the same category.
 
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