How are most passport bros able to fund their lifestyles overseas??

[Might-Guy]

Are all these guys digital nomads with tech jobs??? Are they landlords? Retired military personnel?? What do they do??

I've been seeing dudes that don't even look that old living in these countries and traveling the world.

Do any of y'all know any? If so how do they find their lifestyles overseas?

 

[ZMaKEa]

It's not that hard to get several IT contracts and work remotely after 10 years of experience in the game.

You won't have consistent work and insurance, but you'll be outside.

Dudes in their 20s probably are remote software developers for mid-tier companies.

 

[Might-Guy]

It's not that hard to get several IT contracts and work remotely after 10 years of experience in the game.

Yea I'm expecting a decent amount of these guys to work in tech. Outside of software I wasn't sure which other fields had remote opportunities.

I was interested in cyber security and even than most of the high paying jobs that require a security clearance don't seem remote friendly for digital nomads.

 

[ZMaKEa]

Yea I'm expecting a decent amount of these guys to work in tech. Outside of software I wasn't sure which other fields had remote opportunities.

I was interested in cyber security and even than most of the high paying jobs that require a security clearance don't seem remote friendly for digital nomads.

If you wanna be a digital nomad, the easiest thing to do is create an online business, doing content or digital marketing for other people. Anything else is a legal nightmare as an American citizen because you are going to have to pay taxes back home and American companies don't wanna deal with the tax headache keeping you as an employee.

To be honest, a lot of the IT and software developer guys just lie about where they are and use VPNs and job hop if they don't have a contracting company. It's not a sustainable lifestyle.

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

They have jobs no?

 

[Chicity]

Guy Sensei has joined the chat

 

[mryounggun]

What makes you think they don’t work in those countries?

 

[LurkerSix]

Or.........they lie. I'm sure most of them are lying and vast majority of the rest save up money from their shit job here and go over there staying at hostiles begging for donations online/ from fam. After it runs out they come back and repeat

 

[Old Man Cain]

You don't have to be rich.

You can go to Thailand and live off $20k US like a king for a 1yr.

 

[konceptjones]

You don't have to be rich.

You can go to Thailand and live off $20k US like a king for a 1yr.

Same for India. One of my old coworkers told me he was sending $2k a month back to the fam in Mumbai. He was like that kind of money was something like 5-6 times the average income over there so his fam was living in luxury. Said he once sent back a big enough lump sum for them to buy a couple of cars, where most families out there barely have one (they use a lot of scooters, mopeds, and motorcycles for motor vehicles), the crib was spacious and had toilets in them, all kinda shit. And they worked too, but their combined income didn't even add up to what he was sending back.

 

[Might-Guy]

If you wanna be a digital nomad, the easiest thing to do is create an online business, doing content or digital marketing for other people. Anything else is a legal nightmare as an American citizen because you are going to have to pay taxes back home and American companies don't wanna deal with the tax headache keeping you as an employee.

To be honest, a lot of the IT and software developer guys just lie about where they are and use VPNs and job hop if they don't have a contracting company. It's not a sustainable lifestyle.

"To be honest, a lot of the IT and software developer guys just lie about where they are and use VPNs and job hop if they don't have a contracting company. It's not a sustainable lifestyle."

Yea this make sense. I think these job opportunities might start disappearing a bit more too. I participated in a coding boot camp online during the pandemic and had an Indian mentor. Once I realized how qualified my Indian mentor was and how cheaper it was to hire an Indian freelance developer I gave up on becoming a freelance software dev.

I gained a lot more interest in tech jobs with a lot more job stability.

 

[Might-Guy]

What makes you think they don’t work in those countries?

Haven't really seen any talk about opening up businesses or working as an expat in those popular passport bro countries.

 

[Might-Guy]

You don't have to be rich.

You can go to Thailand and live off $20k US like a king for a 1yr.

Ngl i thought about doing this after I finished school.Just so I could spend a year becoming a better programmer and learning a bit more about cyber security.

 

[Mr.LV]

Vietnam has a small cost of living , they are probably doing remote work

 

[konceptjones]

Yea I'm expecting a decent amount of these guys to work in tech. Outside of software I wasn't sure which other fields had remote opportunities.

I was interested in cyber security and even than most of the high paying jobs that require a security clearance don't seem remote friendly for digital nomads.

Ngl i thought about doing this after I finished school.Just so I could spend a year becoming a better programmer and learning a bit more about cyber security.

There's a lot of remote work in security since the pandemic. You just gotta get in and move up from there. Jr Analyst remote gigs are out there. Jump on that and work it until you get a feel for the day-to-day in security and move on after a year or two.

 

[ZMaKEa]

"To be honest, a lot of the IT and software developer guys just lie about where they are and use VPNs and job hop if they don't have a contracting company. It's not a sustainable lifestyle."

Yea this make sense. I think these job opportunities might start disappearing a bit more too. I participated in a coding boot camp online during the pandemic and had an Indian mentor. Once I realized how qualified my Indian mentor was and how cheaper it was to hire an Indian freelance developer I gave up on becoming a freelance software dev.

I gained a lot more interest in tech jobs with a lot more job stability.

Tech jobs are a dead end for most people and has been for a while. If you are not the type to create projects and participate in the developer community in your spare time, it isn't worth it.

The skill gap is too wide and the demand for run of the mill coders and the like is low. Master's degree to PhD or 10 plus years experience and a specialized skill required for a high paying job with all the perks.

The need for "coders" peaked in 2015.

If you want a location independent lifestyle, do what people been doing since the Web 2.0 began, study marketing and start a lifestyle business.

Lol, people are seriously better off streaming and making YouTube videos if they want to live a digital nomad life.

Wasting time learning IT and shit isn't it.

 

[konceptjones]

Tech jobs are a dead end for most people and has been for a while.

The skill gap is too wide and the demand for run of the mill coders and the like is low. Master's degree to PhD and a specialized skill required for a high paying job with all the perks.

Coding itself peaked in 2015.

If you want a location independent lifestyle, do what people been doing since the Web 2.0 began, study marketing and start a lifestyle business.

Lol, people are seriously better off streaming and making YouTube videos if they want to live a digital nomad life.

Nah, coding merged with linux and dba skills to create "DevOps", which is really a way to pay one person less that the three they replace.

Except they only kinda replace Linux admins and DBA's. They usually have just enough skill to wing it in those areas but not enough to do the jobs 100%.

 

[ZMaKEa]

Nah, coding merged with linux and dba skills to create "DevOps", which is really a way to pay one person less that the three they replace.

Except they only kinda replace Linux admins and DBA's. They usually have just enough skill to wing it in those areas but not enough to do the jobs 100%.

I am saying nobody can go to a boot camp or come out of college and get a job.

The industry marketed "coding" because they needed grunt workers to build their apps and websites. Most of the coding people learned was web development. They were building apps and websites.

No different than the American government marketing cybersecurity and AI because it needs people to compete with China. Most of the cybersecurity shit people end up doing is administrative work or at a SOC. Most people don't have the math background to seriously pursue AI work.

DevOps is about treating developers as customers and internally providing the infrastructure and tooling to devs. This speeds up the software development process.

Developers are more skilled now and adopted methodologies that include infrastructure, data and security engineering.

And the reason why we are moving towards infrastructure, data and security is because we are no longer building websites and apps.

We are building platforms that consume large amounts of data and we need to people that build these platforms and process the data to be interchangeable as software engineers, data engineers and security engineers.

Coding at this point is just a hobby lol.

Like you make clone websites on your spare time.

 

[Duwop]

Are all these guys digital nomads with tech jobs??? Are they landlords? Retired military personnel?? What do they do??

I've been seeing dudes that don't even look that old living in these countries and traveling the world.

Do any of y'all know any? If so how do they find their lifestyles overseas?

You can prolly apply for a bunch of cards and stunt for the gram next summer...

 

[Might-Guy]

I am saying nobody can go to a boot camp or come out of college and get a job.

The industry marketed "coding" because they needed grunt workers to build their apps and websites. Most of the coding people learned was web development. They were building apps and websites.

No different than the American government marketing cybersecurity and AI because it needs people to compete with China. Most of the cybersecurity shit people end up doing is administrative work or at a SOC. Most people don't have the math background to seriously pursue AI work.

DevOps is about treating developers as customers and internally providing the infrastructure and tooling to devs. This speeds up the software development process.

Developers are more skilled now and adopted methodologies that include infrastructure, data and security engineering.

And the reason why we are moving towards infrastructure, data and security is because we are no longer building websites and apps.

We are building platforms that consume large amounts of data and we need to people that build these platforms and process the data to be interchangeable as software engineers, data engineers and security engineers.

Coding at this point is just a hobby lol.

Like you make clone websites on your spare time.

I agree mostly with everything you said.

After I completed my boot camp I realized I was only interested into niche sides of software engineering and cyber security. I lost interest in being a regular programmer making web apps or mobile apps.

The niche fields I wanted to break into were pretty hard to get into since not only did most job opportunities require a degree but you needed to be a really good programmer.

"No different than the American government marketing cybersecurity and AI because it needs people to compete with China. Most of the cybersecurity shit people end up doing is administrative work or at a SOC. Most people don't have the math background to seriously pursue AI work"

I'm seriously considering hopping into the military just to break into cyber security. Spoke to a few recruiters recently in the spaceforce, army and Navy. Took the asvab recently and scored high enough to qualify for army and Navy cyber. If I decide to join I gotta lose like 40lbs and get in shape.

Only thing making me hesitate is that I'm 27 and both the army and Navy require 6 year contracts. Spaceforce is offering atleast a 4 year one.

It's either this or I join the national guard to help pay for school while I pursue and engineering degrees for the next 3-4 years lool.