Chance The Rapper help Anita Baker get her masters

[5 Grand]

Anita Baker salutes Chance The Rapper for helping her buy her masters from former label

At a recent performance, the legendary songstress Anita Baker shared that Chance The Rapper was instrumental in helping her regain […] The post Anita Baker salutes Chance The Rapper for helping her buy her masters from former label appeared first on TheGrio.

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Sounds good. Rapture is one of my favorite albums.

However, I've noticed a trend where people say the record labels are evil and they take the artist's masters and the artist gets ripped off.


But let's think about this;

Most artist's are broke before they get signed. The label takes a gamble in recording the album (especially in the 70s and 80s when you had real musicians and you absolutely had to go to a professional studio, you couldn't record an album in your closet on a computer).

So the label;

1. Markets (gets the album in stores)

2. Promotes (gets radio stations to play the single)

3. Advertises (ads in magazines)

4. Pays for the video

5. Provides tour support (makes sure the show is promoted in every city, provides a tour bus, hotel, meals, laundry, etc.)

So why shouldn't the label keep the masters?

The artist CAN'T do all of that himself/herself. He/she needs a record label to do those things. And it helps if the staff at the label have connections and have been working in the industry for a while (industry insiders).

Why shouldn't Anita Baker's label keep the masters?

 

[Natural Born Sinners]

I agree w some of your points....however, the Industry is set up to rob the artist. The split should be more fair. Some of this is on the artists and their representation. For example, an unsigned artist should never have the same representation as their label. Combat Jack spoke of this in detail on his podcast. How his job as an entertainment lawyer, was to basically help the label RAPE the artist. The labels take advantage of the artist being "broke" as you stated and exploit their talent, by having them sign terrible long deals. You have teenagers w "homeboy/family" management, that stand no choice against these boardroom vultures

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Record industry: loam sharking

 

[IP360]

I agree w some of your points....however, the Industry is set up to rob the artist. The split should be more fair. Some of this is on the artists and their representation. For example, an unsigned artist should never have the same representation as their label. Combat Jack spoke of this in detail on his podcast. How his job as an entertainment lawyer, was to basically help the label RAPE the artist. The labels take advantage of the artist being "broke" as you stated and exploit their talent, by having them sign terrible long deals. You have teenagers w "homeboy/family" management, that stand no choice against these boardroom vultures

This.

 

[KNiGHTS]

Anita Baker salutes Chance The Rapper for helping her buy her masters from former label

At a recent performance, the legendary songstress Anita Baker shared that Chance The Rapper was instrumental in helping her regain […] The post Anita Baker salutes Chance The Rapper for helping her buy her masters from former label appeared first on TheGrio.

news.yahoo.com

Sounds good. Rapture is one of my favorite albums.

However, I've noticed a trend where people say the record labels are evil and they take the artist's masters and the artist gets ripped off.


But let's think about this;

Most artist's are broke before they get signed. The label takes a gamble in recording the album (especially in the 70s and 80s when you had real musicians and you absolutely had to go to a professional studio, you couldn't record an album in your closet on a computer).

So the label;

1. Markets (gets the album in stores)

2. Promotes (gets radio stations to play the single)

3. Advertises (ads in magazines)

4. Pays for the video

5. Provides tour support (makes sure the show is promoted in every city, provides a tour bus, hotel, meals, laundry, etc.)

So why shouldn't the label keep the masters?

The artist CAN'T do all of that himself/herself. He/she needs a record label to do those things. And it helps if the staff at the label have connections and have been working in the industry for a while (industry insiders).

Why shouldn't Anita Baker's label keep the masters?

They don't hear you though. I used to be like artists are getting jerked too until I studied business. You're taking all of these risks on artists and fronting them a budget to do an album with the same way a bank takes a risk on you to finance your home. Only the artist used to have nothing but talent and no measurable metrics. At least now you can check their social media for some baseline audience. If you don't like the terms, you simply go somewhere else. Only in music do artists sign these deals, then start saying, "They won't let me create, man! They holding me back!"

Reverse engineer this shit and swap out Def Jam Records in the sentence with your own name: "Mike tells JB he'll et him borrow 20 dollars if JB will wash Mike's car, pick his son up from the park, and all by 3PM. Any money JB makes off the 20 Mike is entitled to 25 percent off the gross for the initial loan for the next seven years or next seven car washes and child pickups, whichever happens first."

JB really needs that 20, so he says bet and agrees. JB plays lotto with 10, wins 20 mill, and owes Mike 5 mill. JB is heated because taxes chewed up 50 percent (rounded) so now Mike is still talking 5 mill and 20 dollars.

You, as Mike, really letting JB slide on you for 5 million? Exactly. I'm glad she got her shit back, but we gotta stop acting like these folks got jerked when they balled out on borrowed money.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I agree w some of your points....however, the Industry is set up to rob the artist. The split should be more fair. Some of this is on the artists and their representation. For example, an unsigned artist should never have the same representation as their label. Combat Jack spoke of this in detail on his podcast. How his job as an entertainment lawyer, was to basically help the label RAPE the artist. The labels take advantage of the artist being "broke" as you stated and exploit their talent, by having them sign terrible long deals. You have teenagers w "homeboy/family" management, that stand no choice against these boardroom vultures

Let's not even bring up Spotify. I love the app, but damn they fuck the artists over. The artists get like 3 cents for every time a song is played. All the rest of the money goes to the record company.

 

[5 Grand]

Let's not even bring up Spotify. I love the app, but damn they fuck the artists over. The artists get like 3 cents for every time a song is played. All the rest of the money goes to the record company.

It's waaaay less than 3 cents.

I have music on all the streaming sites. YouTube pays better than all of the other sites combined, and they don't even pay 3 cents. More like $0.003. That's not 3 cents, that's 3/10 of a cent. You need thousands of streams just to make $10 from YouTube. And you need millions of streams to make $10 from Spotify.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It's waaaay less than 3 cents.

I have music on all the streaming sites. YouTube pays better than all of the other sites combined, and they don't even pay 3 cents. More like $0.003. That's not 3 cents, that's 3/10 of a cent. You need thousands of streams just to make $10 from YouTube. And you need millions of streams to make $10 from Spotify.

Yeah I was wrong. I just looked it up though and Spotify actually pays between 0.003 and 0.005, so that's more than you're saying for them, but it's still very bad.

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The greatest musicians in the world are rarely in it for the money. However, tour vans, broken guitar strings, and studio time do not come free, so it

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Youtube actually pays the least by a lot and Tidal pays the most.

 

[Qawshun]

At some point the label makes their money back at that point they should give up 95% of the masters if possible. I don't know if a split of masters is a thing but damn no reason the label should eat forever and the artist is just goes back to being broke

 

[5 Grand]

Yeah I was wrong. I just looked it up though and Spotify actually pays between 0.003 and 0.005, so that's more than you're saying for them, but it's still very bad.

Streaming Payouts Per Platform & Royalties Calculator ()

The greatest musicians in the world are rarely in it for the money. However, tour vans, broken guitar strings, and studio time do not come free, so it

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Youtube actually pays the least by a lot and Tidal pays the most.

Nope. YouTube pays more than all of the other sites combined. What all of the other sites pay is insignificant compared to YouTube.

In the course of a year I might see a few hundred dollars from YouTube, and ten dollars from all of the other sites combined.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Nope. YouTube pays more than all of the other sites combined. What all of the other sites pay is insignificant compared to YouTube.

In the course of a year I might see a few hundred dollars from YouTube, and ten dollars from all of the other sites combined.

Bruh, the official numbers are right there in the link I provided. You need 78 streams to make $1 on Tidal. You need 500 streams to make $1 on YouTube Music. Maybe you're thinking of YouTube just the base site and factoring in ad revenue to your earnings or something

 

[mryounggun]

Only tangentially related, but I just came in here to say that 'Fairy Tales' by Anita Baker is one of the illest R&B songs ever written and should be studied in universities.

#OkBye

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Only tangentially related, but I just came in here to say that 'Fairy Tales' by Anita Baker is one of the illest R&B songs ever written and should be studied in universities.

#OkBye

lol You think so?

I don't even know if I'd put that in my top 5 from Anita alone. It's a good song though.

 

[Eyerone]

At some point the label makes their money back at that point they should give up 95% of the masters if possible. I don't know if a split of masters is a thing but damn no reason the label should eat forever and the artist is just goes back to being broke

Bingo.

Anita baker’s music has more than likely generated enough money to where her label has been paid back MULTIPLE times.

 

[mryounggun]

lol You think so?

I don't even know if I'd put that in my top 5 from Anita alone. It's a good song though.

Yeah, man. I love that record. I like songs that are ABOUT something. Rather than the joints that are just the abstract 'I love you, you're so great' songs or the 'I hate you, you're so awful songs'.

Front to back, Fairy Tales is very intentional about it's theme and doesn't really stray from it at all and it really gets the point across in a way that isn't preachy.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Yeah, man. I love that record. I like songs that are ABOUT something. Rather than the joints that are just the abstract 'I love you, you're so great' songs or the 'I hate you, you're so awful songs'.

Front to back, Fairy Tales is very intentional about it's theme and doesn't really stray from it at all and it really gets the point across in a way that isn't preachy.

Yeah, I can respect that reasoning. I get tired of one note R&B songs too. Smokey Robinson is dope as hell, but I swear when you listen to him for like half an hour, you feel like every song he sings is about the same damn thing.

 

[wadupdoe!313]

Yeah, man. I love that record. I like songs that are ABOUT something. Rather than the joints that are just the abstract 'I love you, you're so great' songs or the 'I hate you, you're so awful songs'.

Front to back, Fairy Tales is very intentional about it's theme and doesn't really stray from it at all and it really gets the point across in a way that isn't preachy.

Greg Phillinganes playing the keyboards on that record and he may be the best session keyboard player in music history.

He absolutely went off on this joint.

 

[LurkerSix]

Let's not even bring up Spotify. I love the app, but damn they fuck the artists over. The artists get like 3 cents for every time a song is played. All the rest of the money goes to the record company.

Labels basically own all the streaming companies, so you cant expect them to pay fair anymore.

 

[5 Grand]

Bruh, the official numbers are right there in the link I provided. You need 78 streams to make $1 on Tidal. You need 500 streams to make $1 on YouTube Music. Maybe you're thinking of YouTube just the base site and factoring in ad revenue to your earnings or something

But I get more streams on YouTube than I get on Tidal and it isn't even close.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

But I get more streams on YouTube than I get on Tidal and it isn't even close.

Ok, but we were talking pay rates not how many streams you get. Was this whole discussion a roundabout way for you to tell us that someone is actually listening to your music?