Taxes and "free" healthcare

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Would you care if your taxes went up for universal healthcare for the US?

Some factors to consider
Had AI do some comparisons

Population Scale and Demographics​

As you pointed out, the volume of people is a massive differentiator.

  • The Numbers: The U.S. population is roughly 345 million, whereas Canada’s is around 41 million. The U.S. has to manage a system for more than 8 times the number of people.
  • Diversity and Health Inequity: The U.S. has a much more racially, socioeconomically, and geographically diverse population. Health outcomes and access vary wildly between an inner-city neighborhood in Chicago, a rural town in Mississippi, and a suburb in California. Designing a "one-size-fits-all" system to equitably cover these diverse needs is exponentially more complex than doing so for Canada's population, which is heavily concentrated along its southern border.

Governance: Federal vs. Provincial​

A common misconception is that Canada has a single, national healthcare system. It doesn't.

  • Canada's Model: Canada has 13 separate provincial and territorial insurance plans, funded partially by the federal government but managed locally. The federal Canada Health Act just sets the baseline rules.
  • The U.S. Challenge: In the U.S., health policy is highly politicized and divided between federal and state authorities. Implementing universal care would likely require either a massive expansion of a federal program (like Medicare) or a highly complex state-by-state mandate (similar to Medicaid, which states can currently opt out of expanding).

The Trade-Off: Wait Times vs. Financial Access​

Every healthcare system in the world chooses what to ration: either money or time.

  • Canada Rations Time: Because care is "free" at the point of service, demand is incredibly high. This leads to well-documented longer wait times for elective surgeries (like knee replacements) or specialist consultations.
  • The U.S. Rations Money: In the current U.S. system, if you have excellent insurance or deep pockets, you can see a specialist or get an MRI almost instantly. However, if you are uninsured or underinsured, you may skip care entirely due to cost. A universal U.S. system would likely reduce financial barriers but significantly increase wait times as millions more people enter the system.

Cost, Spending, and GDP​

The U.S. already spends significantly more on healthcare than any other developed nation, yet yields mixed results.

  • The Spend: The U.S. spends about 17% to 18% of its GDP on healthcare, compared to Canada's 11% to 12%.
  • Where the Money Goes: A huge portion of U.S. healthcare spending goes toward administrative costs (billing, insurance negotiations, marketing) and corporate profits. While a universal system could theoretically slash these administrative overheads, the initial cost to taxpayers to transition and fund the system would require a massive restructuring of the U.S. tax code.

Financial Structures and Existing Infrastructure​

Transitioning to a universal system in the U.S. isn't starting from scratch; it means dismantling or absorbing a trillion-dollar industry.

  • The Insurance Industry: The private health insurance sector in the U.S. employs hundreds of thousands of people and represents a massive chunk of the economy. Canada’s system essentially outlawed private insurance for "core" medically necessary services, relying on a single-payer system. Doing this in the U.S. would cause massive economic disruption.
  • Healthcare as a Business: U.S. hospitals and clinics are largely private entities (both non-profit and for-profit) that negotiate their own rates. In Canada, hospitals are mostly publicly funded global-budget institutions, and doctors are independent but bill the government directly at fixed rates.
 
lmao make the thread.

Id rather my taxes go to feeding children, making sure the roads are good and that people remain healthy n dont go bankrupt trying to get medical attention rather the money going to bombing random muhfuckas a world away that aint never did shit to me 🤷🏽‍♂️
We already have taxes that go to roads and feeding children. This would be an addition
 
No one stays healthy forever which is the funny part. This is like people without kids complaining their tax dollars go to schools & the ones with kids (ish) complaining their tax dollars dont just go to the school their kids go to.
You have the option to pay for private school. Also education has a cap. Kids don't go to school for life
 
We already have taxes that go to roads and feeding children. This would be an addition
And we know some places feed and treat children better than others. Those particular allocations are at someones discretion though correct? So someone could and may well reallocate taxes meant for one thing and spend it on some bullshit right?

Im not sure how other countries handle it but I've always felt that people, as far as taxes go, should be able to determine where their money is being spent.

And to pull it back another layer, if you dont make sure people are healthy, it eventually becomes more costly to provide healthcare to the people that need it.. which is all of us 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
And we know some places feed and treat children better than others. Those particular allocations are at someones discretion though correct? So someone could and may well reallocate taxes meant for one thing and spend it on some bullshit right?

Im not sure how other countries handle it but I've always felt that people, as far as taxes go, should be able to determine where their money is being spent.

And to pull it back another layer, if you dont make sure people are healthy, it eventually becomes more costly to provide healthcare to the people that need it.. which is all of us 🤷🏽‍♂️
No major country lets citizens check boxes on their tax returns to choose exactly where their dollars go though. But I get what you're saying
 
No major country lets citizens check boxes on their tax returns to choose exactly where their dollars go though. But I get what you're saying
I think Portugal is one of the few countries that has some funds allocated and the people are allowed to vote on how its spent. Its not some impossible feat.

participatory budgeting
 
Universal healthcare should be standard in any country that considers itself civilized. The issue in the United States is that we seem far more divided than other countries, leading to people making decisions based on personal bias and not the overall benefit of the country (which also benefits them and those they hate).

The U.S. is a cultural monster when it comes to pushing values that promote capitalism over everything. I believe this directly hurts the country's ability to institute major policies that benefit us as a whole. The U.S. media promotes unhealthy living, making healthcare a business with a constant clientele.

This is the same country that instituted the No Child Left Behind policy, which is the worst thing to happen to this country since it was introduced. That policy absolutely wrecked our youth and future. Now its hard to tell if a professional actually earned their title, because the sentiment behind that policy seemed to infect higher education as well.

So until its clear that the U.S. isn't purposely treating its population like cattle, its pretty hard to decide if i want to give away more of my poor money when it may not change a single damn thing, except further widening the economic gap in our country. We're dumb, broke, and unhealthy, yet the stock market is doing great.
 
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I think Portugal is one of the few countries that has some funds allocated and the people are allowed to vote on how its spent. Its not some impossible feat.

participatory budgeting
I looked it up and their budget is a few million. That's pretty small compared to what we'd need
 
It's more choice than what we have now. A few million might not seem like alot but it could change some people's lives
Some cities already use participatory budgeting where residents vote directly on how to spend millions in local tax dollars for community projects. But US universal healthcare infrastructure requires trillions. Not millions.

If we gave Americans total choice over their healthcare tax dollars then human nature and media bias would dictate the spending and it'd go to obvious things like childrens hospitals, cancer research, and emergency rooms. Asylum/psychiatric care, addiction rehabilitation, medical waste management, and bureaucratic oversight would likely see their funding plummet. We'd need so much more money that people don't really think about
 
Some cities already use participatory budgeting where residents vote directly on how to spend millions in local tax dollars for community projects. But US universal healthcare infrastructure requires trillions. Not millions.

If we gave Americans total choice over their healthcare tax dollars then human nature and media bias would dictate the spending and it'd go to obvious things like childrens hospitals, cancer research, and emergency rooms. Asylum/psychiatric care, addiction rehabilitation, medical waste management, and bureaucratic oversight would likely see their funding plummet. We'd need so much more money that people don't really think about
So it seems like you agree with what I'm saying. People should have a choice on where their money goes and if they did... The people would decide to take care of themselves rather than on military spending
 
So it seems like you agree with what I'm saying. People should have a choice on where their money goes and if they did... The people would decide to take care of themselves rather than on military spending
I agree that people would rather their taxes be spent on things that impact their daily lives than military or anything foreign related
 
It should be significantly cheaper for all care.

Folks would spend more money if it was affordable and therefore be more happy and be a overall better person

Dental work is too expensive
Getting lab work is too expensive

China does it right. I watch a video of this white dude getting his lab work done there and it was effortless and affordable.

people go over to Mexico everyday just to get dental work and come back


We are a failed 1st world country
 
It should be significantly cheaper for all care.

Folks would spend more money if it was affordable and therefore be more happy and be a overall better person

Dental work is too expensive
Getting lab work is too expensive

China does it right. I watch a video of this what dude getting his lab work done there and it was effortless and affordable.

people over to Mexico everyday just to get dental work and come back


We are a failed 1st world country
the fact that folks from the US go to "lesser" countries to get much better healthcare for substantially less says everything that needs to be said about the US' priorities
 
the fact that folks from the US go to "lesser" countries to get much better healthcare for substantially less says everything that needs to be said about the US' priorities
One my uncles was born here but lived in the States since he was about 5. He's like every poster on this site with that American first attitude.... However when that fat man got Cancer he was using the NHS
 
The debate isn't free healthcare vs taxes its free healthcare vs private healthcare providers, insurance companies and big pharma that mainly amongst some other things drive up the costs. There's nothing innately special about American healthcare or medication that make it more expensive than other countries besides greed.

Hence why buddy got popped.

The US government can afford a free healthcare model with the taxes US citizens pay today.

But continue...
 
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