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Is there a crime (aside from being a chomo) for which there is no redemption no matter how much time has passed?

konceptjones

konceptjones

The one between three and three.
This popped up in my feed on FB today. The Detroiters on here should remember it 'cause it really kinda fucked up hanging out on Belle Isle for a minute.

Synopsis:

1995, a tiny (4'11, 115lbs) 33 year old chick and a friend were sitting off chillin on The Rock gettin' blazed on weed and PCP. A big ass (6'4", near 300lb) 19 year old dude, more than likely drunk, walked up and tried to spit game. She rejected him. He tried again and tried to grab her, she rejected him again and her and her friend jumped into the ride and bailed off The Strip, but sideswiped his who-ride, a Monte Carlo, in the process. He chases her to the Belle Isle Bridge, but it was packed so they had to stop. Dude and his niggas hop out the ride and rundown on her. Big nigga snatched her out of her ride with a tire iron in hand, ripping her clothes off in the process, and commences to beating the shit out of her. In a panic trying to get away from him, she jumps over the railing to the bridge. Niggaman is still yellin '"I'mma kill you bitch". She decides to jump from the bridge into the Detroit river despite not knowing how to swim. Two cats that saw it jumped into the water to try to save her but she pushed them away from her then disappeared in the water. It was said by eyewitnesses that Niggaman even told her not to jump. Her body was found downriver some hours later.

Niggaman went to prison in '96 on a 2nd degree murder charge and was sentenced to 16 - 40 years. He got out in 2011.

Fast forward to today.

Martell Welch, dude in question, has apparently landed a couple of minor roles in some Tubi joints. Deletha Word's family has found out and is livid over it and, from what I'm seeing, is trying to make it so his acting career ends before it really gets started.

My question is: This happened nearly 30 years ago when dude was 19. He went to prison for it and, it appears, he has turned his life around for the better. At what point does he deserve a chance to redeem himself or does he even deserve one? Is this a crime that has no redemption whatsoever?

www.deseret.com

MAN TO STAND TRIAL IN DEATH AT DETROIT BRIDGE

A 19-year-old man was ordered Friday to stand trial for the murder of a woman who was stripped nearly naked and beaten before she jumped from a bridge to her death two weeks ago. Martell Welch was bound over for trial by District Judge Chris Stith on the charge of open murder for the death...
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com

www.tampabay.com

Man convicted in leap off bridge

A man who attacked another driver over a fender-bender was convicted of murder Monday for forcing her to jump to her death off a bridge.
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I don't believe in redemption.

When you commit an action that is detrimental to someone, it reverbates throughout their entire life and the people that they come in contact with.

There is no redemption for anyone. Everyone is guilty.

Which is why it is best to live a life of self-control and discipline. So when you do decide to commit an action against someone, you meant it. You are not doing it out of foolish pride or resentment or moral weakness. That way you don't carry the guilt with you and the person you did it to can move on instead of asking why them.

Be forthright with your actions and you don't have to beat yourself up with guilt and seeking redemption that will never come.

Changing your heart and your life don't mean nothing to the person you transgressed against after you changed their life for the worse. You have increased their burdens instead of relieving them.
 
Dont know what a chomo is but nah your redemption is not here on earth for heinous unprovoked acts of violence that especially maim/kill
 
ZMaKEa said:
I don't believe in redemption.

When you commit an action that is detrimental to someone, it reverbates throughout their entire life and the people that they come in contact with.

There is no redemption for anyone. Everyone is guilty.

Which is why it is best to live a life of self-control and discipline. So when you do decide to commit an action against someone, you meant it. You are not doing it out of foolish pride or resentment or moral weakness. That way you don't carry the guilt with you and the person you did it to can move on instead of asking why them.

Be forthright with your actions and you don't have to beat yourself up with guilt and seeking redemption that will never come.

Changing your heart and your life don't mean nothing to the person you transgressed against after you changed their life for the worse. You have increased their burdens instead of relieving them.
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Playmaker88 said:
Dont know what a chomo is but nah your redemption is not here on earth for heinous unprovoked acts of violence that especially maim/kill
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^^^ This man actually, factually murdered someone with his own hands at 17. Went to prison, got out on parole and caught an armed robbery charge, went back in caught more time for fighting with a guard. Nigga was a whole menace to society until he got paroled in '76. Went to school, started acting (sound familiar?), and went on to appear in a grip of movies and TV shows, including one quite beloved to Black folks, Roc, resulting in winning 9 industry awards, including three Emmy's, and got 29 nominations.

He retired a celebrated Black actor.


Sounds to me like redemption.
 
Not saying I people arent redeemed

I was just saying for me i dont necessarily vibe with the idea of it
 
Redemption is individualized

Potentially for any transgression, there’s a chance you’re never forgiven by somebody

The extreme end of this is when women talk about “icks” that made them ghost somebody

“He had a rollie backpack”
 
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^^^ This man actually, factually murdered someone with his own hands at 17. Went to prison, got out on parole and caught an armed robbery charge, went back in caught more time for fighting with a guard. Nigga was a whole menace to society until he got paroled in '76. Went to school, started acting (sound familiar?), and went on to appear in a grip of movies and TV shows, including one quite beloved to Black folks, Roc, resulting in winning 9 industry awards, including three Emmy's, and got 29 nominations.

He retired a celebrated Black actor.


Sounds to me like redemption.
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How is that redemption? He simply made put his time and energy into something productive after being a degenerate.

People really think the can leave as much carnage in their wake and then turn around and be like, "My bad y'all, I do better now."

That don't mean shit, what about the damage?

Nobody saying a person change or express regret, but transgressions against someone cannot be undone. It cannot be made up. It can not be rectified by punishment or changed behavior or expression of guilt and shame. The act lives on through the life of the affected and everyone in their lives.

The concept of redemption is for people that lack commitment in their actions and decides to be prodigal. They want to live on their terms, cause their damage and then come back professing to have a greater understanding of how to live in harmony with others.
 
I think people can be redeemed from anything (besides child molestation) if they actually regret with they did and make an effort to be better. Rape and murder are heinous act, but given how much people change throughout their lives, I'm not about to act like a person at 49 should still be judged for shit they did at 19. That's wild.
 
Some crimes are irredeemable, especially if a life was ended or altered drastically. Someone had to grow up without their mother because of his actions. How do you even begin to redeem that?
 
Golan said:
Some crimes are irredeemable, especially if a life was ended or altered drastically. Someone had to grow up without their mother because of his actions. How do you even begin to redeem that?
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I guess it depends on what mean by redeemed. You can't ever make up for taking the life of another person. Once they're gone, they're gone. I think when people are talking about redemption from crimes, they are talking more about whether or not that person can change themselves into something different than just a murderer.

You take a child's parent away from them, that child may never be able to forgive you. That doesn't mean everyone else in the world has to you as nothing but a killer for the rest of your life no matter what you do afterwards.
 
Honestly, dude gotta deal with that.

Sometimes things transcend the discussion of right or wrong.. No matter how hard you try to discuss it argue a point, sometimes it just isn't possible. There isn't a right or wrong

It's is or isn't. I often reference the wire. But Marlo's

"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way"

Fits this perfect. One can a argue that homie is rehabilitated. One can argue that he's remorseful and got his life together.

And to some that might be a valid argument. Some people might hear it and say.... Enough time had passed for reflection. Dude did his time. He's a completely different person. And to others it will be forever fuck that nigga.

And I will not be the one to say who is right or who is wrong.


All I can say is.... Aye if that's how shorty feels, that's how she feels... And I can't judge her for that.

And if she was the type to forgive him, again.. I'm like if that's what she is, and that's how she feels... She has her right to that emotion.

I'm not judging that woman on anything other than the fact she watches Tubi to begin with. 😭
 
Duwop said:
Honestly, dude gotta deal with that.

Sometimes things transcend the discussion of right or wrong.. No matter how hard you try to discuss it argue a point, sometimes it just isn't possible. There isn't a right or wrong

It's is or isn't. I often reference the wire. But Marlo's

"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way"

Fits this perfect. One can a argue that homie is rehabilitated. One can argue that he's remorseful and got his life together.

And to some that might be a valid argument. Some people might hear it and say.... Enough time had passed for reflection. Dude did his time. He's a completely different person. And to others it will be forever fuck that nigga.

And I will not be the one to say who is right or who is wrong.


All I can say is.... Aye if that's how shorty feels, that's how she feels... And I can't judge her for that.

And if she was the type to forgive him, again.. I'm like if that's what she is, and that's how she feels... She has her right to that emotion.

I'm not judging that woman on anything other than the fact she watches Tubi to begin with. 😭
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GOAT'ed, but I had to LOL at that last sentence.
 
Redemption is possible but that man is in no way entitled to that young lady's forgiveness nor for anyone to view him in a positive light moving forward. It sucks to see someone just live a normal life when they're literally responsible for you losing a huge part of yours. So I get her reaction 100%.
 
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