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[LurkerSix]

Not the same ol "if we had more guns out there it would be safer and be less deaths by shootings" argument

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

I never said not to carry just in case. I'm saying most people over estimate their ability to react in a life or death situation to try and neutralize the threat. Especially if there's a gun and a direct threat coming at you. Most people fight or flight is flight in those situations. And also alot of reaction to those thing is muscle memory. Folks ain't shooting in those type of situations so most people reaction would be to get tje hell away and not try to engage the threat

People defend their homes everyday with guns, I'm not sure where you get this idea that people wouldn't react, most would.

Everyone out there were sitting ducks, and the cops didn't do shit. Worst case scenario.

 

[loud-ninja]

People defend their homes everyday with guns, I'm not sure where you get this idea that people wouldn't react, most would.

Everyone out there were sitting ducks, and the cops didn't do shit. Worst case scenario.

If a person is in a crowded area and all they hear are gun sounds and people running, most are not gonna wait and shoot. One, they may not know where the shooter is. Two, people will be in your way. Three, you might be with people, so many are not gonna play hero. Four, the option to run or hide gives a better chance of survival when in a big area.

Way different from being in a house where your back is up against the wall and you have no options but to fight back.

 

[konceptjones]

I'll keep saying it...movies and tv have convinced people they could not only operate a gun under heightened circumstances with 0 experience but also just shoot and kill somebody and just walk away fine after.

And yet, they do.

If an old geezer can blow the arm off of a muhfucka pointing an AR at him while trying to rob his store, or an even older lady handcuffed to a chair is able to shoot and kill the intruder that cuffed her to a chair can do it (while being shot several times herself), I'm pretty sure the average person can as well.

Woman, 85, shoots and kills home intruder in ‘heroic’ act of self-defense

A woman is being praised for her actions as she fought off an armed man during a home invasion.

www.wdbj7.com

It happens more often than you would want to believe and it's been exposed that the stats on it are intentionally suppressed in the media.

 

[Inori]

 

[BlackRain]

And yet, they do.

If an old geezer can blow the arm off of a muhfucka pointing an AR at him while trying to rob his store, or an even older lady handcuffed to a chair is able to shoot and kill the intruder that cuffed her to a chair can do it (while being shot several times herself), I'm pretty sure the average person can as well.

Woman, 85, shoots and kills home intruder in ‘heroic’ act of self-defense

A woman is being praised for her actions as she fought off an armed man during a home invasion.

www.wdbj7.com

It happens more often than you would want to believe and it's been exposed that the stats on it are intentionally suppressed in the media.

People defend their homes everyday with guns, I'm not sure where you get this idea that people wouldn't react, most would.

Everyone out there were sitting ducks, and the cops didn't do shit. Worst case scenario.

I never said it doesn't happen nor that people wouldn't react. Im saying the reaction of most people in a fight or flight situation like a mass shooting is to flee. Not run towards the danger. But both yall putting situations where it's not a mass shooting situation for one. Which means your reaction and response will be very different vs a closed in environment or one where multiple people are scattering. As a huge part of gun safety and shooting is to not just fire into a sea of chaos.

Also you ever hear people talk about the after effects of knowing they took a life? Shit ain't sweet and that breaks alot of people. And I also said with 0 experience. Part of shooting a gun is actually knowing how it works and familiarity with it. If you've either a. Got no experience or b. Very limited then there's not a wealth of knowledge to subconsciously pull from.

 

[BlackRain]

I hear you. I can imagine that for the first few minutes one wouldn't even know what's going on. One was disarmed by an unarmed citizen with no apparent military training, so clearly you don't need a gun to be a hero. Though you never hear stories of these attacks being met with return fire, yet more laws are introduced to disarm the citizen. Then more attacks occur against unarmed citizens. It doesn't make much sense. At this point people should be carrying with situations like this in mind.

People get killed everyday and more often than not folks ain't getting into a shootout with somebody trying to kill them. I'm not against guns at all. I just think the average person overestimates their ability to not only operate one but also deal with the after affects of knowing they killed somebody

 

[AP4.0]

People get killed everyday and more often than not folks ain't getting into a shootout with somebody trying to kill them. I'm not against guns at all. I just think the average person overestimates their ability to not only operate one but also deal with the after affects of knowing they killed somebody

This all Black is saying y'all... Damn

 

[konceptjones]

I never said it doesn't happen nor that people wouldn't react. Im saying the reaction of most people in a fight or flight situation like a mass shooting is to flee. Not run towards the danger. But both yall putting situations where it's not a mass shooting situation for one. Which means your reaction and response will be very different vs a closed in environment or one where multiple people are scattering. As a huge part of gun safety and shooting is to not just fire into a sea of chaos.

Also you ever hear people talk about the after effects of knowing they took a life? Shit ain't sweet and that breaks alot of people. And I also said with 0 experience. Part of shooting a gun is actually knowing how it works and familiarity with it. If you've either a. Got no experience or b. Very limited then there's not a wealth of knowledge to subconsciously pull from.

Watch the video with John Stossel, they actually point out mass shooting incidents that were stopped by a concealed carrier that got next to zero media coverage.

We actually talked about this West VA incident here:

Woman credited with stopping mass shooting at apartment complex in West Virginia

Police say a woman's actions may have prevented a mass casualty event following an altercation about a man speeding through a neighborhood.

www.wral.com

“Good Guy With Gun” Swept Under Rug by Las Vegas Police

A good guy with a gun apparently stopped an active shooter in Las Vegas on Friday, almost certainly saving lives after a helmeted man opened fire with a rifle in a building lobby. But you probably didn’t hear about it. Why not?

www.heritage.org

Armed bystander credited with preventing more deaths in Indiana shooting

The gunman who killed three people in a shopping mall near Indianapolis would likely have taken many more lives if not for the "heroic" actions of an armed bystander who shot the suspect dead and stopped the attack, police said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Witnesses: Armed bystander prevented 4th Detroit death

DETROIT (AP) — A young man suspected of randomly killing three people on Detroit streets fled when an armed bystander saw him shoot a fourth person and responded with his own gunfire, witnesses told a TV station.

apnews.com

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/onondaga-county-district-attorney-man-saved-the-lives-of-several-individuals-after-fatally-shooting-a-man-who-fired-at-crowd/

Also:

UPDATED 2: A Deep Dive into Cases Where Civilians Stopped Active Shooters. Did they accidentally shoot bystanders, get in the way of police, get their gun taken away, or create other problems? How does it compare to police who stopped these attacks?

UPDATED March 7th, 2025: We have previously put out our study on the FBI's active shooting reports. If you watch entertainment television police shows, you

crimeresearch.org

While civilians with concealed handgun permits stopped 51.5% of the active shootings in non-gun-free zones, police stopped 44.6% of the cases (124 arrested or killed by police, 32 committed suicide when police arrived = 156/350 = 44.57%). Interestingly, police officers were much more likely to lose their lives or be wounded in stopping these attacks than armed civilians. Twenty-seven officers were killed in 19 attacks (7.7% and 5.4%, respectively). That is 5.94 times the rate that permit holders were killed. One hundred officers were wounded in 48 attacks (28.6% and 13.7%, respectively). That rate is 17% higher than for civilians. In four cases, the police shot and killed the wrong person — twice they accidentally shot fellow police officers (Prince George’s County Police Department District 3 Station on March 13, 2016 and Borderline Bar and Grill on November 7, 2018) and twice they accidentally shot civilians (Galleria Mall in Hoover, Alabama on Nov. 23, 2018 and Highlands Ranch, Colorado on May 7, 2019). The bottom line is that the rate of police shooting the wrong person is very low, though it is slightly more than twice the rate that civilians shoot a bystander (1.14% versus 0.56%). The police accidentally shot other police officers at very slight higher than the rate that civilians shot bystanders.


As for the after effects? I'd rather spend time with a therapist after murking someone than my kids spending time in therapy after having seen me take a bullet for them trying to protect them.

 

[Sturdy Harris]

Y'all in here creating arguments just to be heroes

Y'all know damn well what bruh is saying lol.

 

[Freeman]

Usual suspect.

 

[konceptjones]

Y'all in here creating arguments just to be heroes

Y'all know damn well what bruh is saying lol.

Nah, that ain't it.

But I said enough in relation to what @BlackRain said, posted a video with info in it, and that's all I'mma do this time around.

 

[AP4.0]

Nah, that ain't it.

But I said enough in relation to what @BlackRain said, posted a video with info in it, and that's all I'mma do this time around.

You are posting very rare exceptions to the pretty standard rule

How many times on this very site where the consensus that people mind their business if they see a chick getting the beats by her ol man yet we're all supposed to forget about self preservation to open fire on a mass shooter?

Again, NOT saying it won't happen but the odds are heavily skewed towards people just want to get home to their loved ones so they'll duck and run to get the chance to do just that

Hell, even with 9/11, out of what..3 planes, only one of the planes had passengers attack the terrorists?

 

[konceptjones]

You are posting very rare exceptions to the pretty standard rule

How many times on this very site where the consensus that people mind their business if they see a chick getting the beats by her ol man yet we're all supposed to forget about self preservation to open fire on a mass shooter?

Again, NOT saying it won't happen but the odds are heavily skewed towards people just want to get home to their loved ones so they'll duck and run to get the chance to do just that

Hell, even with 9/11, out of what..3 planes, only one of the planes had passengers attack the terrorists?

The whole purpose of the Stossel video I posted is to show that it's not rare at all, it's just severely under reported... Intentionally.

 

[Freeman]

And yet, they do.

If an old geezer can blow the arm off of a muhfucka pointing an AR at him while trying to rob his store, or an even older lady handcuffed to a chair is able to shoot and kill the intruder that cuffed her to a chair can do it (while being shot several times herself), I'm pretty sure the average person can as well.

Woman, 85, shoots and kills home intruder in ‘heroic’ act of self-defense

A woman is being praised for her actions as she fought off an armed man during a home invasion.

www.wdbj7.com

It happens more often than you would want to believe and it's been exposed that the stats on it are intentionally suppressed in the media.

I don't believe that lazy eyed nigga. And what's up with buddy's eyebrows man?

 

[Ghostdenidagod]

 

[AP4.0]

The whole purpose of the Stossel video I posted is to show that it's not rare at all, it's just severely under reported... Intentionally.

How are you defining rare man lol

even if it was properly reported, it's still low in comparison to what typically usually happens in these situations

Most people flight instead of fight cause the goal is to get back home safely to your family

Yes there are others that will engage hoping to neutralize a threat but this ain't Passenger 57 nigga

 

[konceptjones]

How are you defining rare man lol

even if it was properly reported, it's still low in comparison to what typically usually happens in these situations

Most people flight instead of fight cause the goal is to get back home safely to your family

Yes there are others that will engage hoping to neutralize a threat but this ain't Passenger 57 nigga

Most people are in flight mode because they're unarmed; those who are armed, shoot back.

Ain't nobody trying to be Hollywood outchea. Statistically speaking (and I've linked to the study earlier), armed citizens are more successful at neutralizing an active shooter than cops. That ain't movie shit, it's real life. Whether you accept that, even when the data is freely available and has already been posted, is 100% on you.

 

[BlackRain]

Most people are in flight mode because they're unarmed; those who are armed, shoot back.

Ain't nobody trying to be Hollywood outchea. Statistically speaking (and I've linked to the study earlier), armed citizens are more successful at neutralizing an active shooter than cops. That ain't movie shit, it's real life. Whether you accept that, even when the data is freely available and has already been posted, is 100% on you.

The frequency in which the engagement of a shooter happens vs the success rate when it does happen are two different things.

 

[Freeman]

Most people are in flight mode because they're unarmed; those who are armed, shoot back.

Ain't nobody trying to be Hollywood outchea. Statistically speaking (and I've linked to the study earlier), armed citizens are more successful at neutralizing an active shooter than cops. That ain't movie shit, it's real life. Whether you accept that, even when the data is freely available and has already been posted, is 100% on you.

Armed citizens have the element of surprise and complete unpredictability in these specific situations. Cops arrive in response loud and much less inconspicuous because of police cars and uniforms making it reasonably more difficult to suppress an active shooter.

Ignoring the issue that armed citizens are also the mass shooters doing the mass shootings is funny to me tho.

What are we doing here?