COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

BlackRain said:
You expressing what you believe trump is doing bad is minimal at best. You defending him or trying to minimize this administration is far more prevalent.
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U take it as minimizing bc when I bring up the equivalent of Dems doing it, u minimize that. When in actuality I'm saying both are wrong, u aren't. Ironic that u are projecting.
BlackRain said:
Also interesting out of all the things you answer you never quite get to why you can't just say "this is bad" without trying to draw some equivalent that you also admit doesn't hold up as well as you want it too
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U guys brought up the equivalency debate with the passive aggressive posts not @'ing anybody then get mad when it gets a response. Very weird behavior.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
U take it as minimizing bc when I bring up the equivalent of Dems doing it, u minimize that. When in actuality I'm saying both are wrong, u aren't. Ironic that u are projecting.

U guys brought up the equivalency debate with the passive aggressive posts not @'ing anybody then get mad when it gets a response. Very weird behavior.
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No. It's taken as minimizing because for some reason it seems to pain you to say "this is worse". You even started this by saying "it's not the same" yet still tried to drawn an equivalent. You know the shit is worse but you still just can't leave it at that as if folks aren't aware of stuff Dems have done and get criticized for. The attempt at drawing a parallel between things that are on different levels when it doesn't fit is the wild shit. Ain't nobody mad at you. I just think you don't even realize yourself the short comings of your attempts to constantly equate things as being on the same level
 
The Lonious Monk said:
What are you talking about? Bro, you're just reading to respond and not reading to understand. I'm saying that the clampdown on information started as a result of a perceived threat to national security. I pretty clearly then said they used that effort to expand that clampdown to stuff that wasn't a threat. Nobody's downplaying anything. I've already said multiple times that the things you mentioned were bad. Literally, no one is saying that what the Obama administration did was ok.

What I am saying is that it's not comparable to what Trump is doing. FOXNews lied about and bashed Obama constantly. He never revoked their credentials or refused to answer their questions. Trump has done both in response to outlets identifying factual information about him that he didn't like. I'm not sure how you draw a connection between what the Obama administration did and what Trump is doing now. Again, it's apples and oranges.
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I drew the connection pretty clearly but I'll repeat. Obama administration weaponized the espionage act against potential leakers to suppress stories that were policy blunders, government waste, etc that had nothing to do w national security. He did so under the false guise of national security. Not to mention spying on journalists. We can agree to disagree.
 
BlackRain said:
No. It's taken as minimizing because for some reason it seems to pain you to say "this is worse". You even started this by saying "it's not the same" yet still tried to drawn an equivalent. You know the shit is worse but you still just can't leave it at that as if folks aren't aware of stuff Dems have done and get criticized for. The attempt at drawing a parallel between things that are on different levels when it doesn't fit is the wild shit. Ain't nobody mad at you. I just think you don't even realize yourself the short comings of your attempts to constantly equate things as being on the same level
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There is an equivalence that's just my opinion. It's also an escalation on Trump's part which I already stated. Obama arguably set the precedent which we can agree to disagree on.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
There is an equivalence that's just my opinion. It's also an escalation on Trump's part which I already stated. Obama arguably set the precedent which we can agree to disagree on.
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So if there's an escalation then they are no longer equivalent. Equivalent means equal in value. By definition of you saying there's an escalation that nullified your pov. You just for some reason can't seem to stand to see the trump administration get called out withing trying to shield them.
 
BlackRain said:
So if there's an escalation then they are no longer equivalent. You just for some reason can't seem to stand to see the trump administration get called out withing trying to shield them.
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For like the 4th or 5th time, the equivalence is suppressing journalism/leakers under the false guise of national security interest.

The trump administration gets called out maybe 100x a day on here, prob not even an exaggeration. Only times I respond is when y'all are practically asking me to in the passive aggressive ways y'all do.

It's not the way u wanna believe it is.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
For like the 4th or 5th time, the equivalence is suppressing journalism/leakers under the false guise of national security interest.

The trump administration gets called out maybe 100x a day on here, prob not even an exaggeration. Only times I respond is when y'all are practically asking me to in the passive aggressive ways y'all do.

It's not the way u wanna believe it is.
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But they're suppressing journalism under the guise of "I don't like you printing mean things about me". From what you provided the information on Obama was as you said, centered around national security interest, not hurt feelings over non dick riding headlines and stories. And again, with you admitting there is an escalation then there is no longer an equivalence to be made.

Also you could always choose to just not respond if you feel like you're being called out.
 
BlackRain said:
But they're suppressing journalism under the guise of "I don't like you printing mean things about me". From what you provided the information on Obama was as you said, centered around national security interest, not hurt feelings over non dick riding headlines and stories. And again, with you admitting there is an escalation then there is no longer an equivalence to be made.
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I listed multiple examples that didn't center around national security interest under the Obama administration. U may have missed it.
BlackRain said:
Also you could always choose to just not respond if you feel like you're being called out.
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Of course I can and u can just choose to not engage with me but that's not the point and is completely irrelevant.

The point is if I'm on some kinda crusade to shield trump everytime he gets criticized on here I'd have as many posts as stringer. But u knew that.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I listed multiple examples that didn't center around national security interest under the Obama administration. U may have missed it.

Of course I can and u can just choose to not engage with me but that's not the point and is completely irrelevant.

The point is if I'm on some kinda crusade to shield trump everytime he gets criticized on here I'd have as many posts as stringer. But u knew that.
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The amount of posts wouldn't be the tell. The content of the post would be. And your continued defense and jumping in front of the bus for them hasn't wavered at all.
 
BlackRain said:
The amount of posts wouldn't be the tell. The content of the post would be. And your continued defense and jumping in front of the bus for them hasn't wavered at all.
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I'm not defending any side. I'm saying both are bad. U see it that way bc u are willing to downplay equivalent things based on who's president, I consistently don't.
 
ChicagoFigure said:
I'm not defending any side. I'm saying both are bad. U see it that way bc u are willing to downplay equivalent things based on who's president, I consistently don't.
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I haven't downplayed anything. If it's fucked up I say it's fucked up. If something can be equated then ok. When things aren't on the same level I also can see that. You seem to struggle with realizing things that aren't on the same level can't be equated. You want both sides to be the same when they clearly aren't at the moment.
 
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