COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

TheNightKing said:
People saw how Trump stacked the Supreme Court which led to all the stuff you saying…

then was ok with him becoming President again to “send a message to democrats”.

A message that was never delivered mind you.
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@Gray Matter @LurkerSix THIS is how you rebuttal. Memes and reaction buttons don't mean shit when the govt is taking your rights away. Say it with your chest.

Yeah, I was never on the "let Trump in office to teach Dems a lesson" train. I said it before, I voted for Hilary in 2016 to stop this from happening. I don't agree with the ppl being called out on their stance on the Dems other than they were incompetent enough to let him take over. I respect their opinion tho because it's rooted in reality. We couldn't depend on the Dems to get us out of the mess Trump put us in during the first term, and we can't depend on them now. My thing is, this was the last place I would expect my own ppl to be shamed for their pro Black stance in the midst of the govt fucking us all over. I'm one of the few ppl that can properly debate on this topic and agree to disagree. As you just saw, niggas just wanna post memes, hit reactions and say "I told you so". What's THEIR message?
 
Lab Baby said:
@Gray Matter @LurkerSix THIS is how you rebuttal. Memes and reaction buttons don't mean shit when the govt is taking your rights away. Say it with your chest.

Yeah, I was never on the "let Trump in office to teach Dems a lesson" train. I said it before, I voted for Hilary in 2016 to stop this from happening. I don't agree with the ppl being called out on their stance on the Dems other than they were incompetent enough to let him take over. I respect their opinion tho because it's rooted in reality. We couldn't depend on the Dems to get us out of the mess Trump put us in during the first term, and we can't depend on them now. My thing is, this was the last place I would expect my own ppl to be shamed for their pro Black stance in the midst of the govt fucking us all over. I'm one of the few ppl that can properly debate on this topic and agree to disagree. As you just saw, niggas just wanna post memes, hit reactions and say "I told you so". What's THEIR message?
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I think some people’s pro-black stance is very conditional though. How can you be unconditionally pro-black and say it’s ok for black individuals to suffer because the Dems didn’t give us every little thing we wanted?

Yes the dems are incompetent and should have been better. This last election though was about harm reduction. Sometimes you have to take that strategy to get progress later. Now we’ve been setback by at least a decade, maybe more, maybe forever.
 
Lab Baby said:
@Gray Matter @LurkerSix THIS is how you rebuttal. Memes and reaction buttons don't mean shit when the govt is taking your rights away. Say it with your chest.

Yeah, I was never on the "let Trump in office to teach Dems a lesson" train. I said it before, I voted for Hilary in 2016 to stop this from happening. I don't agree with the ppl being called out on their stance on the Dems other than they were incompetent enough to let him take over. I respect their opinion tho because it's rooted in reality. We couldn't depend on the Dems to get us out of the mess Trump put us in during the first term, and we can't depend on them now. My thing is, this was the last place I would expect my own ppl to be shamed for their pro Black stance in the midst of the govt fucking us all over. I'm one of the few ppl that can properly debate on this topic and agree to disagree. As you just saw, niggas just wanna post memes, hit reactions and say "I told you so". What's THEIR message?
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If the meme the same as what my reply would be, whats the difference?

We tried to reason with yall for months and it was like talking to a wall. Yall would move goal posts, ignore us , name call, ridicule or straight up say you dont care. Now when its too late, you got egg on ya face, everything we said AND MORE is happening against black people, we're supposed to talk to you nice and hold ya hand through this like y'all are children and we're ya mom.

Best part about this is yall still trying to put this all on other people & wont acknowledge the massive amount of foolery displayed. At this point, I dont feel like trying reasoning with clearly unreasonable people. And debate time is over. We tried that pre-election. REMEMEBER?!?? Theres nothing really to debate with yall now and any future debates yall probably wont be included.
 
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TheNightKing said:
I think some people’s pro-black stance is very conditional though. How can you be unconditionally pro-black and say it’s ok for black individuals to suffer because the Dems didn’t give us every little thing we wanted?

Yes the dems are incompetent and should have been better. This last election though was about harm reduction. Sometimes you have to take that strategy to get progress later. Now we’ve been setback by at least a decade, maybe more, maybe forever.
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Save your words. That's why I don't argue with them dudes anymore. They don't actually know what they're talking about. They basically just take a stance the feel makes them sound more "down for the cause" than anyone else and run with it. At some point, everyone has to ask themselves something. What, in the entire African American history, have people like them ever accomplished? It's crazy how some of the people that are quickest to trash everybody else are usually the most ineffectual.
 
Goldie said:
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www.jalopnik.com

Trump Signs Executive Order Requiring Truck Drivers To Speak English, But That's Already Necessary By Law - Jalopnik

This seems like another Trump policy aimed at harassing and detaining law-abiding Americans and exacerbating an already crisis-level trucking industry problem.
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President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Monday requiring all of the truck drivers in America to be proficient in the English language, following his designation of English as the official language of the country in a separate executive order in March. As a result of the EO, reports The Hill, Transportation Secretary and former Real World/Road Rules cast member Sean Duffy will issue new guidance on proficiency testing and enforcement policies for truckers. If a driver is found in violation of the executive order, they'll be put "out of service."
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Here's the thing — federal law already required truckers to be proficient in English, and drivers need to prove their proficiency as a condition of obtaining a commercial driver's license. This seems like little more than another Trump policy aimed at harassing and detaining law-abiding Americans and exacerbating an already crisis-level trucking industry problem.
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Ostensibly this week's executive order was crafted to make the highways of the United States safe from the scourge of native Spanish and Punjabi speakers conversing in their most comfortable language. It specifies that drivers "need to provide feedback to their employers and customers and receive related directions in English." Federal law already requires all commercial driver's license candidates demonstrate they can "read and speak the English language sufficiently to converse with the general public, understand highway traffic signs and signals, respond to official inquiries, and make entries on reports and records". So what good is this executive order?
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Hes such a fucking idiot
 
Trump is so dumb.

In this clip he acknowledges that he could get Abrego Garcia back if he wanted to.

Before this, the official line was that they asked, but El Salvador refused to send him back.

That line is now no longer tenable, and the Trump admin is more or less openly defying a Supreme Court ruling.

 
El Salvador's president is like, "Are you really sure these dudes are gang members"?



In Washington, the Trump administration was working to address Mr. Bukele’s confusion about whom the United States had sent him. Eight women who had been mistakenly sent were swiftly flown back.
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The Salvadoran president wanted to confirm that all of the Venezuelans were actually members of Tren de Aragua. Any regular deportees were to be held separately in his prison.

Publicly, the administration insisted all 238 Venezuelans who were deported were members of Tren de Aragua. But few had documented public links to the gang and officials admitted that many did not have criminal records in the United States. “The lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose,” Robert L. Cerna, a top deportation official, wrote in a court filing.
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To determine their gang affiliation, the Homeland Security Department had created a scorecard in which the men were assigned points for different categories. A broad range of tattoos were worth four points. A tally of eight points was considered evidence of gang membership.
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State Department officials said they provided El Salvador with the scorecard and other intelligence showing the Venezuelans were Tren de Aragua members.
Still, inside the U.S. government, some career staff had qualms about what had unfolded.
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Behind Trump’s Deal to Deport Venezuelans to El Salvador’s Most Feared Prison

New details deepen questions about the deportations, showing that El Salvador’s president pressed for assurances that the migrants were really members of the Tren de Aragua gang.
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TheNightKing said:
I think some people’s pro-black stance is very conditional though. How can you be unconditionally pro-black and say it’s ok for black individuals to suffer because the Dems didn’t give us every little thing we wanted?

Yes the dems are incompetent and should have been better. This last election though was about harm reduction. Sometimes you have to take that strategy to get progress later. Now we’ve been setback by at least a decade, maybe more, maybe forever.
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We as Black ppl, like everyone else on this planet, have to evolve with and adapt to the society we live in. 400 years isn't just a random number... it's been past that long since we were brought here as cargo, before this country was established mind you. For centuries, we complied with the govt while they made laws around us. 3/5 human, 13th/14th amendment, Jim Crow, Civil Rights Bill, etc. Meanwhile, the atrocity that necessitated these laws not only went unchecked, but swept under the rug almost entirely. The talk of reparations is supposed to put these things on the table and create long term solutions other than a payout. Women rightfully get paid millions for being raped in one night, and that's just off a settlement with no other consequence for the accused. Imagine having generations of your entire family raped for 246 years and having to wait another 160 and counting to get justice and closure. "Every little thing" adds up after over 400 years... downplaying our demands as petty bargaining not only minimizes our voice, but further slows down our progress as a ppl already stunted by the effects of slavery.

The "harm reduction" election was 2016, in which I voted. I voted for a woman that called us "superpredators" because I didn't want to see this country ran by a man dumb enough to let white supremacists dictate his presidency just because he knew how to get their votes. That failed miserably. 4 years later, it took an economy crippling pandemic further exasperated by his stupidity and bigotry to BARELY vote him out... and our alternative was a senile man that helped construct a crime bill that specifically targeted the Black community. Meanwhile, our voices continued to get ignored as pacifiers and entertainers lulled us further to sleep. They allowed "woke" and "DEI" to become derogatory terms for our progress with their redundant policies. Fuck the reparations talk for a second. We deadass can't even be conscious in this country anymore, and it's been like that since 2017. Consciousness has been replaced with grandstanding on stances and screaming "fuck the other side". Meanwhile, none of them are willing to adjust to us like we did for them for 400 years. If I can't hold my chosen candidate/party accountable, what's the point of supporting them? I'm a pro lifer, but look at the shit I gotta stand behind. Fuck outta here.

All in all, ppl are angry, tired and frustrated for different reasons. It's like what Pac said... after a while we're gonna get tired of singing to be let in and just rush the door. We have been suffering for longer than this country has been in existence, what's another 4 years? If anything, it seems like ppl are more mad that Trump is doing what he wants than the long term effects of our ppl and any other group he is targeting. We found ways to thrive while the govt were in direct opposition. Our inventions, innovations and working/fighting spirit not only kept the opposition at bay, but built this country to where it is now. Our generation didn't have to fight like they did in the 60s. If this country is set back, it just means we have to get ready to fight like our ancestors did. Dems ain't gonna help us fight in 2025, and GOP/MAGA purposely made us their enemy to ensure their survival. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm gonna focus my energy on them and hold my ppl down, whether or not I agree with them.
 
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LurkerSix said:
If the meme the same as what my reply would be, whats the difference?

We tried to reason with yall for months and it was like talking to a wall. Yall would move goal posts, ignore us , name call, ridicule or straight up say you dont care. Now when its too late, you got egg on ya face, everything we said AND MORE is happening against black people, we're supposed to talk to you nice and hold ya hand through this like y'all are children and we're ya mom.

Best part about this is yall still trying to put this all on other people & wont acknowledge the massive amount of foolery displayed. At this point, I dont feel like trying reasoning with clearly unreasonable people. And debate time is over. We tried that pre-election. REMEMEBER?!?? Theres nothing really to debate with yall now and any future debates yall probably wont be included.
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The Lonious Monk said:
Save your words. That's why I don't argue with them dudes anymore. They don't actually know what they're talking about. They basically just take a stance the feel makes them sound more "down for the cause" than anyone else and run with it. At some point, everyone has to ask themselves something. What, in the entire African American history, have people like them ever accomplished? It's crazy how some of the people that are quickest to trash everybody else are usually the most ineffectual.
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Refer to my response to @TheNightKing. To add on... this way of thinking is what separated us in the 70s. First off, I'm not "y'all". I said it a million times... I stand with my pro Black brothers on this site but we don't always agree. I can talk to them and agree to disagree, same with y'all. You don't have to meme and coon/wack me to death. Treating me like a troll after I took the time to come up with a response to your questions when I have way more pressing issues going on in my very real life is hella disrespectful. I have not called anyone in here out their name one time unless they were on some mega troll shit. If you have issues with them, take it up with them. You're dealing with someone that lost damn near everything trying to fight for my ppl. You don't gotta agree with me, but the one thing I ask is treat me and my words with some respect.
 
Lab Baby said:
Refer to my response to @TheNightKing. To add on... this way of thinking is what separated us in the 70s. First off, I'm not "y'all". I said it a million times... I stand with my pro Black brothers on this site but we don't always agree. I can talk to them and agree to disagree, same with y'all. You don't have to meme and coon/wack me to death. Treating me like a troll after I took the time to come up with a response to your questions when I have way more pressing issues going on in my very real life is hella disrespectful. I have not called anyone in here out their name one time unless they were on some mega troll shit. If you have issues with them, take it up with them. You're dealing with someone that lost damn near everything trying to fight for my ppl. You don't gotta agree with me, but the one thing I ask is treat me and my words with some respect.
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My post wasn't directed at you. You may be the one having the convo with @TheNightKing, but you really weren't who I was thinking about when I posted that. I'll say this much though. It's telling that you refer to them as "pro-black" as if the people that disagree with them and actually make arguments based in facts and knowledge of the system aren't. Like, who really on this site isn't pro-black? Is there anyone that you can think of that doesn't want black people to thrive?
 
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