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Elaine Brown isn't a pan-africanist, an afrocentrist or a Graveyite. She's a stereotypical progressive.
Y'all got your man Umar Johnson and the rest of them niggas that haven't done shit but confuse motherfuckers about the struggle, fuck hoes and take money.
Pan-Africanism is Christianity for the unsophisticated.
At least megachurches got food drives, daycares, international charities, and support local politics.
The Black Panther Party is explicitly a pan Africanist movement. The building is called The Black Panther.
So you’ve all this to say that the Black Panther Party was a nationalist cause for Black Americans and didn’t want anything to do with Africa, didn’t want to go or have any connection.The Black Panther Party isn't an explicitly Pan-Africanist movement.
The Black Panther Party is a revolutionary Black Nationalist movement that took up Marxism when they came up on the conclusion that the only way Black Americans would be free is if they join the revolutionary Marxist movements in Cuba, Vietnam, China and Africa.
The Black Panther Party took the position that they will be the Vanguard Party of America and lead the revolution here.
That had nothing to do with Pan-Africanism. They didn't want to go back to Africa. They didn't believe needed Africa culturally or have some sort of connection.
They believed they would lead a national socialist revolution of all races in America. They were American-centric. They didn't LARP and pretend to be Africans.
Their rift was when half of the leadership wanted to start a war and the other half just wanted to focus on providing survival programs in America.
This is why Pan-Africanism is a worst form of Christianity for Native Born Black Americans than actual Christianity.
Because to say Black Panthers were Pan-Africanists is to miss the whole point of their turn to Marxist Leninism. They wanted to free Black Americans by having a revolution which required international support by thriving revolutionary parties that were actively engaging in war and struggle across the world.
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That’s an odd statement to make when Eldridge Cleaver went into exile as a fugitive from the American Government in Cuba…oh…..and uhhh…yeah, you guessed itThe only times Black Americans organized and looked internationally for political support is when there were socialist revolutionary moments by Great Powers such as China and Russia.
They didn't look internationally on the account of missing fucking culture or needing other groups of Black people. They looked for clear material objective conditions to push their hand.
Well, of course clearly Eldridge Cleaver was the main, main person who supported this notion of, of alliances with White radical organizations. I mean, he coined the phrase "mother country radicals." And this was something that, that went, was really in line with our thinking anyway. Because in general, the party, as I say, was not a nationalist group. So, we saw the interconnection between the various struggles
So you’ve all this to say that the Black Panther Party was a nationalist cause for Black Americans and didn’t want anything to do with Africa, didn’t want to go or have any connection.
Here are some copies of the Black Panther, the newspaper of the BPP. I’ve included some excerpts from the first volume which was published in 1968, in the party’s infancy…Let’s remember, nothing to do with Africa or have any connection and nothing to do with Marcus Garvey.
(I’ve only used the first 7 papers because I know your argument is gonna devolve into “man they changed their platform as they went on”)
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(Note the African name beside the American one..Guess she was larping )
(The people that wanted nothing to do with Africans demanded all Black children learn Swahili and IGBO..IGBO NEEGAH?)
(Why do these people who want nothing to do with Africa keep Marcus Garvey and Franz Fannon on their Book list for the first 12 newspapers of the Black Panther party?
(Why would The Minister Of Education of the BPP say that they gave Bobby Hutton an African Funeral? Shouldn’t it been a Town Bidness funeral???)
(What’s this shit about Africa and American Blacks in the same struggle????)
That’s an odd statement to make when Eldridge Cleaver went into exile as a fugitive from the American Government in Cuba…oh…..and uhhh…yeah, you guessed it
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So what we’re left with is a group that takes on African names, African funerary traditions, call themselves African and speak of African liberation movements like Biafra as occurring within the global Black liberation movement and DEMAND that all Black American children learn IGBO in school. Yet you tell me that they’re a nationalist group…I wonder what Elaine Browne herself says about that…
We haven’t even gotten to the split with the Eastcoast Panther# (Because they were a national org ) because I see what you’re trying to do lol..You want to present the Panther as some corner store gang concerned only with Oakland that didn’t have members like George Jackson, who’s Prison letters (Soledad Brother) mention being African hundreds of times..Or Stokely Carmichael (a pan African Trinidadian that was mayor of Conakry) being the national chairperson of the entire fucking organization.
but fuckit man my fingers tired and I’ve completely eradicated anything you said already..Also idk if u confused or something, I’m not Jamaican so all that Marcus Garvey shit u talking don’t mean nothing to me lol .
It's a tragedy that you travel all over the U.S. , just to wind up at the same chain restaurants you have back at your home.The Fridays here in Atlanta is playing some fantastic hip hop
It's a tragedy that you travel all over the U.S. , just to wind up at the same chain restaurants you have back at your home.
You really refuse to use the search function called "google" to search for better and local spots, lol.
If you are still in ATL, check out "Atlanta breakfast club". Thank me later.
I did.Lol, you still didn't refute my point.
I’m not sure if you think that repeating “they’re marxists!” 100 times nullifies the explicitly Pan-African underpinnings of the party but I’d remind you that W.E.B Du Bois was a Pan-African socialist along with Kwame Nkrumah and Franz Fannon - Three authors that the party kept on the Panther Book List as required reading.BPP is a Marxist Leninism Black Nationalist Party.
Like all Marxist Leninism parties, they are revolutionary nationalists because you gotta secure your own damn country to have an international socialist revolution.
Fidel Castro was a revolutionary nationalist that turned into a Marxist Leninist. Which is why Cuba supported revolutions in Africa and Latin America.
Good old Chairman HueyAnd they focused on America and their people in America because Mao did. Huey P. Newton was a big fan of Mao, even went to China.
Here’s what Kwame Toure said about El CommandanteFidel Castro was a revolutionary nationalist that turned into a Marxist Leninist. Which is why Cuba supported revolutions in Africa and Latin America.
Yep, The African arm of it. You lucky I can’t find that statue of the African, Chinese and Soviet standing arm in arm.See, like all Western Pan-Africanists, you are stuck on culture. I don't care about culture. I care about political actions and material conditions. I already told you that the BPP arose in a revolutionary time and they were expecting to be the leaders of a revolution.
So did Power To The People & the fist. You Know Nothing niggas are so ignorant of Black American history that you don’t even know we was on the frontlines of the American Socialist Party, Socialist Labor Party and the Intl Workers of the World - you gonna say Peter Clark got it from Marx too I’m sure.Lol, like BPP followed Marxist Leninism to a tee, the self-defense, survival programs, schools, the ten point programs, it comes from Mao-Marx-Lenin.
It didn’t. Outside of the Algerians and Cubanos allowing Cleaver refuge, the black Panther party was made up almost completely of American Blacks domestically and didn’t benefit from any international revolutionaries, flowery statements or “co-operation ”,something you pointed out in your previous post.Black Panther Party focused on class struggle within America with Black Americans as the leaders of a revolution. Which required raising the political consciousness of Black Americans. Which required international cooperation amongst other revolutionaries.
Yeah, I agree that organizations based in African countries focus on issues affecting their constituency, like the EFF in South Africa or Community Movement Builders in America, these are both vocally Pan-African orgs that benefit local Africans and run Pan-African candidates in local elections to further the cause of pan africanism worldwide.And then there's the LARPing of so-called American Pan-Africanists with no actual stake in Africa or African people on the continent. They tell American Black people that their salvation comes from a connection to a continent and peoples they don't belong to. They get in the way of national discussions to do bullshit because of their romantic sentiments.
Africans in the Americas are uniquely gifted with the right to Abode in Ghana, South Eyfrika and a handful of continental states. During civil unrest-like what were very likely heading toward- Americans have historically committed mass murder against Black people (Draft Riots, LA riots, Hurricane Katrina,Kyle Rittenhouse,). Having provisions for citizenship in another country can save millions of lives as they have in the past (Haiti, Mexico, Canada). This exists solely because of the unifying work of Pan Africanists; Kwame Nkrumah invited MLK to his inauguration and put Marcus Garvey’s Black star on his flag - two of those people were mainstays on the Panther Required Reading ListWhy should they suffer through the culture inferiority complex and romanticism of a certain type of Western Negro that sees Africa as a fantastical place. They have serious business to discuss.
Yet, we got Black folks in America thinking it's the 60's and 70's still, inheriting a legacy of political ineffectiveness and birthing it into the 21st century and beyond. For what?
For you fat niggas