For the most part, I won’t address the first part of your message because we fundamentally disagree far too much to have a substantive conversation.And i dont have a particular candidate im pulling for yet. Bernie and his supporters are increasingly ridiculous. Biden has a shitty legislative record but i thought he was a solid vp. I like Warren personally but her policies are unclear. Klobuchar would probably be the best at getting things done and progressing the country but she doesnt have charisma. Bottom line is, whoever is the nominee needs full support.
I dont need to waste 15 minutes on the internet to debunk those trash ass allegations. Bernie did it for me...Bruh .... you can post all the salty Kobe Bryant gifs on the internet.
But.. . You just referred to someone calling Biden Corrupt as “slander”. My Lord. You have absolutely no earthly idea what you are talking about...
I DARE you to spend 15 minitues researching ”Biden and corruption”. See what you find.
If you actually look - you will Find
Not opinions. Not Punditry. Not biased narratives.
But DOCUMENTED FACTS with receipts.
Do you care about facts??? Or Not.
Bernie shouldn’t have apologized because everything pointed out in the piece was a truthful and substantiated.
He is way too soft on Biden because he is a nice guy, despite the media painting him out to be evil and malicious. I think he made a mistake in apologizing for one of his surrogates pointing out Biden’s terrible record of political favors that hurt the American people and help corporations.
I am still waiting for you to point out the CORPORATIONS who contributed to Bernie Sanders campaign AND the supposed political favors he reciprocated to said Corporations.
I’ll keep waiting ...
But for you to claim that “it doesn’t matter” that Presidential Candidates are accepting $ millions in corporate bribes and selling out the interest of the American people for them is insane.
In fact you are less upset about Politicians bypassing the American people and Democracy for Status and corporate money; than you are about Bernie Sanders calling it out!
Think about that.
Fam - these politicians don’t even matter to our every day lives. ALL THAT MATTERS is the policy.
You are more concerned about Joe Biden’s feelings than Joe Biden voting to take away financial protections of tens of millions of Americans struggling.
You are more concerned about Joe Biden’s feelings than Joe Biden voting to take away hundreds of millions of vulnerable Americans’ Healthcrae.
You are more concerned about Joe Biden’s feelings than Joe Biden voting to let 4500 Americans, and 300,000 innocent civilians over seas die; while 20,000+ Americans were saddled with disabilities, and $Trillions of dollars of tax payer money was wasted on a War we were lied into starting.
It would be one thing if it was just incompetence on the part of Biden. It would be unacceptable for a Presidential Candidate but forgivable.
But NO - that’s not the case.
THE GUY IS GETTING PAID TO SELL YOU OUT.
And you are concerned about his feelings???
With all dude respect, you may have drunk too much of the Kool Aid to see reason.
JesusI dont need to waste 15 minutes on the internet to debunk those trash ass allegations. Bernie did it for me...
A politician votes for a bill that a large part of his states constincuency supports. Corporations give him money (which is legal and something he really doesnt need) for a position he was going to take anyway. Thats corruption? Lol cmon bruh. Nobodys supporters take that position....
Oh wait... i can think of one political figure that peddles that nonsense.
Thankfully bernie put the kibosh on that bullshit. Yall should follow.
So you accuse me of drinking the kool aid?Jesus
I don’t know if this is full blown naive thinking on your part or willful ignorance.
I will ask you this though?
Because, apparently, the majority of the country overwhelming supported the acceleration of the debt crisis and the shredding of the key financial protections afforded to tens of millions of people struggling with it.
What exactly did we gain from that strongly held desire, you presume we had?
And I guess Senator Biden was just working on behalf of his constituents when he aggressively attempted to severely cut Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid right?
What exactly did Delaware constituents (of whom millions depend on those services to stay alive and financially survive) get out of the good Senator trying to destroy their livelihood?
If before he goes up to the plate ... a batter secretly gives the umpire $100,000 and then receives what appears to be a slow pitch down the middle of the plate that the batter hits out of the park.
YOU, the entire media, and everyone else watching would scream at the top of their lungs that he was CLEARLY CHEATING.
IT WOULD BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE
But Joe Biden can literally receive millions from corporate special interests, then demonstrate several examples of drastic legislative measures to significantly improve their bottom line and go directly against the best interests of the American people.
And you see that and simply assume -
“Hey that’s how government should work!”
You got it fam.
I did want to address this because i find this to be a much more substantive argument.Of course where we seem to disagree is on
- The extent to which the status quo in society has been ravaged by income inequality
- Corporate Tax Policy
- The fact that corruption actually exists
- To what extent Bernie is a favorable candidate
- The relative merits of Moderate Centrism in the Democratic Party
And we can leave those topics at a stalemate, becuse I don’t see either of us moving from our positions.
Yea, negroes worldwide are just tapping out at this point. Sucks.Reading that article was crazy. It's a lot of minorities donating to Trump and the GOP. Shit don't make sense.
Yet way too many black people still want to be too inclusive of everyone. Which makes even less sense.
So you accuse me of drinking the kool aid?
But it seems that you fell into this absurd conflation tactic.
Biden wanting to cut social security and medicare is a policy issue that has nothing to do with him being "corrupt". Fair issue to go after him even though it was sneaky how they initially did it (bernies latest attack is better)
This other credit card company nonsense is a thinly veiled attempt to link biden to trumps bullshit.
The last allegations are trash and the attempt to conflate the two are trash trump like tactics. Bernie knew it and deaded that shit. Again, his supporters should too.
I don’t think you understand what it means to be a Centrist.I did want to address this because i find this to be a much more substantive argument.
I dont tend to think we disagree that much at all on the particular issues or those are in fact issues. Where i think we disagree is to the degree and on the methods to combat them.
- never said income inequality wasnt an issue. In fact its a huge issue. The wedge is on how to combat it. Progressives seem to think that raising taxes on the rich, creating more govt jobs and raising the federal minimum wage is a cure all. I dont. Job retraining making for a more competitive workforce, further regulating predatory lending (starting with student loans), and working to lower costs of living expenses are much more effective than the former imo.
- we discussed corporate tax policy ad nauseum...bottom line i feel like what is being proposed in some circles is self defeating
- also discussed this. Never said corruption wasnt an issue....simply stated it was facetious to call every presidential candidate (besides bernie) corrupt. Corruption is a huge issue on the state and local levels and also on the other side. Its an issue in the democratic party but overblown. Corporate money is like 2-3% of a presidential candidates fundraising. 1.5 of that 2% is giving money to a candidate who agrees with the candidates issues anyway. And there is no guarantee that candidate is going to go the way of the donor (ironically biden is an example of this)
- really dont care if bernie is a favorable candidate. I like bernie. I disagree with some of his policies but if he wins, ill support him. Some of his supporters are trash though.
- not even sure why modern centrism is a debate. Its just a fact that at this point moderates are the dominant part of the electorial base. The real debate is how much moderates should embrace progressives ideals
Bruh are you kidding me LOL? Biden takes money from credit card and bank employees!? Wow man the fuckin horror lolYES. You are drinking the Kool Aid.
Was Trump President in 1998 or 2005?
Trump wasn’t even in Politics when Biden sold out the American People for “the Credit card stuff”.
Biden's entire career was bankrolled by the credit card industry decades ago. He was literally known as the “Senator from MBNA”.
This isn’t even disputed. It is common knowledge.
“In total, Biden received $1,126,375 from those in the securities and investment industry, $304,475 from finance and credit company workers, and $295,900 from commercial bank employees.
Biden’s ties to MBNA and banks span beyond political contributions from its employees. Home sales, family jobs, and free trips caused critics to dub him “the senator from MBNA.”
The fact that you blamed it on Trump shows how desperate you are to NOT believe the truth stating you in the face.