Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
well you going around asking straight identifying ppl if they want to fuck trans ppl is rooted in tra
Question is this fair.......
- Thread starter Old Man Cain
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well you going around asking straight identifying ppl if they want to fuck trans ppl is rooted in tra
Dwayne
Laissez le bon temps rouler
I have great point behind that but folks refuse to answer instead yall calling folks transphobic and shit
Inori
NAWF
I get that. My point was that we shouldnt find ourselves where we are in a space to where even asking a question, being hesitant to have their children participate or looking for clarity is defined as being transphobic.
There are some folks here that have stances that are for sure transphobic... but like you said... nuance is needed on both sides of this debate cuz it aint just black and white. Like yall have said more research and data is needed.
A parent asking what the protocols and rules are of a trans woman about to wrestle or box their daughter shouldnt automatically labeled as transphobic tho that was my main point lol
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
:smh:
a very good read as well:
Are men really better athletes? | International Socialist Review
NOBODY WOULD ever suggest that having a penis renders men less competitive with women in athletics, yet there is no sport in which having one’s genitalia on the outside is an advantage.Perhaps this...
isreview.org
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
this part stood out to me especially:
“But one of the more fascinating aspects of their work is the physiological science and history they wield to make a case for how sports does not simply reflect the gender and sex biases of our culture, but actually help shape them. They argue, “coercive sex segregation does not reflect actual sex differences in athletic ability, but instead constructs and enforces a flawed premise that females are inherently athletically inferior to males.”
“But one of the more fascinating aspects of their work is the physiological science and history they wield to make a case for how sports does not simply reflect the gender and sex biases of our culture, but actually help shape them. They argue, “coercive sex segregation does not reflect actual sex differences in athletic ability, but instead constructs and enforces a flawed premise that females are inherently athletically inferior to males.”
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
thats not why someone was being labeled transphobic.
i mentioned transphobia because ppl seldom employ introspection when discussing these kinds of topics.
its a way to say hey: am i genuinely concerned about the welfare of cisgender athletes or do i have some biases whether consciously or unconsciously that i need to unpack
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
why should i do all this labor in finding information just for you not to read it and continue believing what you want to believe?
you said there was no information disproving women can be better athletically than men. i gave you two sources.
now its “show me results” 5 secs later.
you didnt even engage with what i posted.
say man, play these reindeer games with someone else
Dwayne
Laissez le bon temps rouler
If women are better athletes.
We would see their names tied with world records and incredible athletic displays that men can’t touch.
Again.
women are not better athletes.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
The data shows pretty conclusively that there is a notable difference between male and female athletes at the highest level.
We Thought Female Athletes Were Catching Up to Men, but They're Not
Across dozens of sports, women's world speed records consistently fall 10 percent short of men's records.
www.theatlantic.com
It turns out that, max output for women is about 90% of that for men, and that's been seen across a variety of sports for decades.
It's pretty much agreed that if all sports were co-ed, women would never be able to compete at the highest levels.
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
The data shows pretty conclusively that there is a notable difference between male and female athletes at the highest level.
We Thought Female Athletes Were Catching Up to Men, but They're Not
Across dozens of sports, women's world speed records consistently fall 10 percent short of men's records.
It turns out that, max output for women is about 90% of that for men, and that's been seen across a variety of sports for decades.
It's pretty much agreed that if all sports were co-ed, women would never be able to compete at the highest levels.
babe this article is from 2012
there are other articles and studies that suggest otherwise.
im not calling for women and men to play together in a co-ed type environment.
im just saying attitudes have shifted away from men being the better athletes. the idea is sexist in nature to a degree and can be unpacked when engaging with how strength, metabolism, and oxygen absorption is measured
as science advances we may be shocked at what we might find.
Rubato
it only matters to us
women process oxygen faster than young men.
if youre daughter is running track, shes already at an advantage
Having more oxygen doesn’t offset smaller/weaker muscles lmao
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
anyways i have a lunch date with hellczar
ill be back
ill be back
Rubato
it only matters to us
How many cis women can bench 600 lbs
Golan
🥀
Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds
The findings raise questions about current Olympic guidelines, but the lead author cautions against using them to back bans in recreational and school sports.
www.nbcnews.com
Golan
🥀
Australia Women's team loses 7-0 to Under-15 men's side | Goal.com
EXTRA TIME: It quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.
www.goal.com
Matildas lose to U15's MLS side Colorado Rapids
On the back of a 5-3 loss to the United States women's side, the Matildas have fallen to a 4-1 defeat at the hands of the Colorado Rapids U15's boys side on Tuesday.
www.sportingnews.com
Dwayne
Laissez le bon temps rouler
Australia Women's team loses 7-0 to Under-15 men's side | Goal.com
EXTRA TIME: It quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.
.Matildas lose to U15's MLS side Colorado Rapids
On the back of a 5-3 loss to the United States women's side, the Matildas have fallen to a 4-1 defeat at the hands of the Colorado Rapids U15's boys side on Tuesday.www.sportingnews.com
The USWN team caught a L to a 15 year team too and they are the best women in the world
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I think its more likely that we may find ways that might artificially allow women to compete more evenly with men, but I doubt we're going to see anything that proves that there isn't an inherent difference.
Another good example is the military. The marines are actually trying to get more women enlisted because they look bad in comparison with the other services. However, they've had problems in the past because of the difficulty women have had getting through basic training