Is Everything Fair?
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CeLLar-DooR
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But I think we all agree that if you born to lovin', educated and affluent parents your hand is way better than if you born to broke, dumb crackheads
AZTG
OG
No one is saying you shouldnt strive to better your situation and make it out. No one is saying you arent responsible for your actions either.
But to make it out the hood and become successful, you have to work a ton harder than if you were born in a upper middle class family. Even if the person born poor makes it out, the fact that he had to work a million times harder and against more odds stacked against him proves shit aint fair.
But to make it out the hood and become successful, you have to work a ton harder than if you were born in a upper middle class family. Even if the person born poor makes it out, the fact that he had to work a million times harder and against more odds stacked against him proves shit aint fair.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I'm so far beyond an "exception" is ain't even funny. I can't even use myself in this situation 'cause I'd make it look like everyone in the hood are the lazy ass bums that YT says we are. I only made reference to myself within a specific context because it was relevant to what I was talking about.
BTW, there are no "scientific facts" at play here
A scientific fact is the same no matter what; the same input will always return the same results.
That means that any time you expose people to the exact same conditions the outcome will always be the same.
But it isn't, and you know that.
There a reason there's always that "first kid to go to college" in a lot of families in the hood. That child was exposed to the exact same conditions as his/her siblings and made the conscious decision to try to get the fuck outta there. So we're not dealing with science, because that child should have never thought to move differently from his/her peers if this were factual. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the people telling us that the reasons we do what we do when we're coming up in the hood is to intentionally defeat us mentally so we stay in our place. Think about it: If you tell a group of people they ain't gonna amount to shit because of where they came from, most of them will resign themselves to that fate. They will blame "da man" or whomever for their plight because so-and-so with a PHD said it. But we see time and time again that it's simply not true. Some of those people will strive for a better life, albeit within certain constraints (i.e. getting a good job at the plant, etc), but they will at least try to move up and out within the scope of their reality. Some will go to college, get into a career, and never look back except to visit on holidays. An those individuals that make it out are often condemned by those they left behind. But those they left behind could have done the same, and that's exactly my point here: Everyone has the ability to change their environment, the question is are you willing to do the work necessary for that? It's a lot easier to sit off on Section 8, WIC, and SNAP, blaming some shadow figure hell bent on keeping you oppressed living in the ghetto... So that's what most people in those conditions do. It's a lot more difficult to say "fuck this, I'm gettin my ass up out of here" and actually put in the work necessary to get out of there.
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konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Prison populations would say otherwise. Lotta drug addicts and other criminals came from so-called "good homes". They made piss poor decisions and ended up in the system.
You guys are missing an important point of the premise, the kid that grew up in the ghetto is because his parents didn't do anything to get him out of the ghetto. You can say, "yeah but he didn't ask to grow up poor" . But the parents didn't do anything before the baby was born to secure a good paying job. It's not anybody else's fault that the kid grew up poor and in the ghetto besides the parents. So I think it's fair because the parents dropped out of high school which led to the child growing up poor. How is that "unfair"?
If the parents wanted for the child to grow up at an advantage, the father would have joined the military and the mother would find a way to finish high school and ultimately college (I've seen it happen) .
If you're parents ain't sh!t there's a strong possibility that you won't be sh!t when you grow up.
mryounggun
OG
You seem to be under the impression that people are saying it's not fair to the parents. What I'm saying is that it's not fair to the KID. The parents made shitty decisions, and the KID suffers for it.
But the chances that those rich motherfuckers could be child raping molesters who use money against each other and those broke motherfuckers could be some loving ass our family gonna stay together and you gonna be better than we were type of parents....
Everything is always in play
CeLLar-DooR
OG
You could be poor and get molested by your parents. Poor children are more likely to be neglected or physically abused.
I don't kno' where this idea that rich people don't have love/as much love in their lives came from
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
When you're poor, all you got is each other. It makes for a stronger family bond when y'all all going through the struggle together.
Nobody is guaranteed shit
Nothing is fair
Some ppl in decent situations fuck themselves over dealing w the wrong ppl for the wrong reasons
Some ppl in fucked up situations can see bullshit a mile away n thus maneuver better
U gotta have your back better than anyone else
Nothing is fair
Some ppl in decent situations fuck themselves over dealing w the wrong ppl for the wrong reasons
Some ppl in fucked up situations can see bullshit a mile away n thus maneuver better
U gotta have your back better than anyone else
#1hiphopjunki3
Go Spurs Go!!
But to answer the question by the thread starter, life isn't "fair" no matter what circumstances to a lot (not all) of people, because most people will always find something to complain about or yearn for.
It's human nature for people to want, learn, or seek more in life so most people will always find something to complain about. There are a lot of people who don't have proper perspective and don't appreciate what they have or the situation they are in.
It's human nature for people to want, learn, or seek more in life so most people will always find something to complain about. There are a lot of people who don't have proper perspective and don't appreciate what they have or the situation they are in.
CeLLar-DooR
OG
I think that's a nice story us poor people tell each other
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I've heard well to do and rich white folks go years without speaking to their parents. I've never heard of us po'folk doing that ever.
As I see it, it IS fair for the kid because that's the life his parent's chose for him.
And the rich kid in the suburbs got what his parents chose for him.
In the end it's all fair. Two people had a baby when they knew they weren't ready to provide, as a result the kid suffers. It's fair because the parents made a conscious choice for all of that to happen.
Everybody knows that if you finish school and go to college (or the military) you'll have a better chance of finding a good paying job as you get older.
TrainReq13
New Member
Sounds like you're using the word "fair" as if you're saying life played out exactly as it should have and there's good rationale for it. I can't rock with this. That would mean the kid should be a defeatist. Just accept that their fate of failure was established before they were born.
But I have a follow-up question, if a child overcomes a rough up-bringing, by your rationale, is that unfair?
I was digging through old threads and I came across this one
I think everything is fair. If a child grows up poor in the ghetto and overcomes all obstacles and becomes a doctor or a lawyer, it's fair.
If another child grows up in the same neighborhood with the same obstacles, same single parent, same peers, and ends up going back and forth to jail until he ultimately gets 3 strikes and serves a long sentence, it's fair.
Both scenarios are fair because they both had the same opportunity, one of them figured it out and one of them didn't.
Here's another scenario
The first girl is naturally pretty. She has a body like Jennifer Lopez and a pretty face.
The second girl is naturally ugly. She's big boned, so even if she goes on a diet her body is still shaped like a square. She has absolutely no ass and no titties and an unusual amount of facial hair for a woman.
I think it's fair. The pretty girl gets ahead because of her looks, but also has a problem in social situations because she's so pretty that guys are scared to talk to her. She doesn't have any real friends, just people that want to be her friend because she's pretty. In fact, she's so pretty that she can't get a regular job because nobody will hire her. They think she'd be a distraction in the workplace. She could make a lot of money as a stripper, or an escort, or a dancer in music videos but she can't get a regular 9-5 office job because she's too pretty.
The ugly girl can get a 9-5 office job. Nobody thinks she'll be a distraction. She has genuine friends because realistically, nobody would try to use her for her looks. Yeah she's not gonna be a Las Vegas showgirl but she'll have a nice peaceful life because she's not aiming for the stars, she'd be happy with a 9-5 and a husband and some kids.
It all seems fair to me.
I think everything is fair. If a child grows up poor in the ghetto and overcomes all obstacles and becomes a doctor or a lawyer, it's fair.
If another child grows up in the same neighborhood with the same obstacles, same single parent, same peers, and ends up going back and forth to jail until he ultimately gets 3 strikes and serves a long sentence, it's fair.
Both scenarios are fair because they both had the same opportunity, one of them figured it out and one of them didn't.
Here's another scenario
The first girl is naturally pretty. She has a body like Jennifer Lopez and a pretty face.
The second girl is naturally ugly. She's big boned, so even if she goes on a diet her body is still shaped like a square. She has absolutely no ass and no titties and an unusual amount of facial hair for a woman.
I think it's fair. The pretty girl gets ahead because of her looks, but also has a problem in social situations because she's so pretty that guys are scared to talk to her. She doesn't have any real friends, just people that want to be her friend because she's pretty. In fact, she's so pretty that she can't get a regular job because nobody will hire her. They think she'd be a distraction in the workplace. She could make a lot of money as a stripper, or an escort, or a dancer in music videos but she can't get a regular 9-5 office job because she's too pretty.
The ugly girl can get a 9-5 office job. Nobody thinks she'll be a distraction. She has genuine friends because realistically, nobody would try to use her for her looks. Yeah she's not gonna be a Las Vegas showgirl but she'll have a nice peaceful life because she's not aiming for the stars, she'd be happy with a 9-5 and a husband and some kids.
It all seems fair to me.
Natural Born Sinners
Active Member
I agree with your point..kinda. far as the ability to make choices. However, when I was finishing up my Bachelor's. I had to do a report on the effect of poverty on mental health. Research showed that children who grow up in poverty are more likely to struggle w mental health issues. Which can lead to drug/alcohol use as coping mechanisms. So now you have some one with mental health issues, who is struggling with a substance use disorder. There is alotta potential for bad life choices right there. Is a MUCH deeper convo, but I'll just leave it there.
Far as the question asked. No is not fair, because the kid growing up in poverty is going to have to work twice as hard to get the opportunities that the middle class kid will have. He will have to overcome obstacles that the other kid wont even know exist. The potential for the poor kid to give up or lose hope is much greater.
Yeah but the parents chose that life for the child rather than having an abortion.
Also, poor children have an easier time getting financial aid to go to college. If you're poor most colleges will give you a free ride, or they'll give you grants and loans that you won't have to pay back until you graduate.
If you're middle class, but not rich, those colleges won't give you the same grants, loans and scholarships as a poor kid from the ghetto.
I have a handful of friends that were poor and got a free ride to go to college, and they fucked it up by drinking and smoking weed every day, skipping class and they eventually flunked out...to pursue a rap career that didn't pan out. Now they have jobs as a security guard in a mall making $10 per hour.
Everything is fair.