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Harvey Weinstein Found Guilty of Rape

Documentaries are hard to make when you have people who aren’t willing to talk about said situation, wether it’s due to court stipulations or they don’t want the publicity over it.

generally once people are charged and all court shit is finished documentaries are created.

there’s always been history of big money makers being protected until they no longer have a purpose.

over here jimmy saville was a prime example of such.
 

Weinstein’s Lawyers Say Accusers ‘Bragged’ About Sex With Him


From the start, Harvey Weinstein’s lawyers have made it clear they intend to secure an acquittal in his rape case by destroying the credibility of his accusers.

On Tuesday, a day before opening arguments, they gave a first glimpse of that strategy, saying they would use a trove of emails to demonstrate that some of the women allegedly assaulted by Mr. Weinstein later bragged about having an affair with him.

Damon Cheronis, a defense lawyer, said Mr. Weinstein’s team will point to dozens of “loving emails” between the once-powerful movie producer and his accusers to suggest the sexual encounters were consensual.

“What we will be able to show is that witnesses who claim Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted them also bragged about being involved in sexual relations with him,” Mr. Cheronis said during a hearing in the State Supreme Court in Manhattan. “They bragged about these things he allegedly forced them to do.” The lead prosecutor, Joan Illuzzi, immediately disputed that claim, calling Mr. Cheronis’s characterization of the emails “blatantly inaccurate.”

But the back and forth in court showed that the coming trial will not only delve into the complex issues of consent and power dynamics in the workplace, but will also ask the jury of seven men and five women to wrestle with the issue of sexual assault within an ongoing relationship.
In legal terms, rape can — and often does — occur within consensual relationships, such as an abusive marriage. Some victims choose — or are forced by circumstances — to maintain outwardly friendly relationships with their attackers.

Mr. Weinstein, 67, is charged with raping one woman in a Manhattan hotel room in 2013 and forcing oral sex on a second woman in his apartment in 2006. Mr. Weinstein is also charged with
predatory sexual assault, exposing him to a possible sentence of life in prison.

Prosecutors have signaled that they intend to portray Mr. Weinstein as a powerful producer who used his influence to force and manipulate women into having sex with him. But his lawyers have argued that it was Mr. Weinstein who was used by the women who have now accused him.
Revelations about Mr. Weinstein’s treatment of women in The New York Times and The New Yorker set in motion the global #MeToo movement, a public reckoning about the harassment endured by women for centuries. The prosecution’s case largely hinges on the jury believing the women’s accounts; there is no physical evidence to support the allegations.

Six women will be called to testify about their allegations that Mr. Weinstein sexually assaulted them. Four of those incidents happened too long ago to be prosecuted as separate crimes, but prosecutors hope their testimony will show a pattern of predatory behavior.

Mr. Weinstein’s lawyers have long made it clear that they intend to discredit his accusers by focusing on emails that suggest the producer’s relationship with the women was consensual and had lasted long after the alleged crimes.

“The evidence will show the complaining witnesses sent dozens and dozens of loving emails to Harvey Weinstein,” Mr. Cheronis said, adding that one woman gave Mr. Weinstein her new phone number and another sent an email saying she wanted the producer to meet her mother.
The judge overseeing the trial, Justice James M. Burke, told Mr. Weinstein’s defense lawyers that they could talk about the emails during opening statements but could not show copies of them to the jury.

According to a 2018 defense motion, the woman who told the authorities that Mr. Weinstein had raped her in March 2013, who has not been identified, sent him an email on April 11, 2013 saying:

“I hope to see you sooner rather than later.”
The next day she wrote, “I appreciate all you do for me, it shows.” And five days later, she wrote,

“It would be great to see you later and catch up.”
Years later, the woman continued to correspond with Mr. Weinstein, writing to him on Feb. 8, 2017, “I love you, always do. But hate feeling like a booty call.”

Later on Tuesday morning, Mr. Weinstein lost his bid to move the trial to a different county, away from what his lawyers have called the “carnival-like atmosphere” of Manhattan. A state appellate court denied the request “in its entirety,” clearing the way for opening arguments on Wednesday.

The decision by the Appellate Division, First Department, which is in Manhattan, ended Mr. Weinstein’s 11th-hour effort to delay his trial and move it, perhaps to Albany or Suffolk County.

Last week, Mr. Weinstein’s lawyers had argued to the court that the producer could not get a fair trial in New York City because of an “unprecedented media spectacle” that has included reporters and camera crews filling courthouse hallways and protests against Mr. Weinstein taking place on the streets outside.

Manhattan prosecutors called Mr. Weinstein’s request “a transparent attempt to delay the proceedings” that ignored “the obvious fact that the public interest in the defendant and his case transcends the boundaries of New York County.”
 
Smdh
It was never about kelz shouldn't go to jail.

Its about an agenda.

Black men want justice but just don't want to be the face of a global problem.
 
An I watched the kelz doc part one
An the Weinstein doc.

One is building a narrative of a monster...
The other is a man who lost his way with power.

Is it too much to ask that we just get the pervs off the streets? Without the need to taint minds. Guilty is guilty. Can't make one seem more guilty while the other is guilty but may just need help.
 
Harvey might be intersex he has no testicles it looks he has a vagina and he pissed on her and he smells like shit with terrible hygiene


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Jessica Mann testified in a Manhattan courtroom Friday that Harvey Weinsteinengaged in forced oral sex and raped her in early 2013 and alleged that she was in a twisted relationship with him because of her sexual inexperience.

As Mann tearily described alleged incidents, she also made the bombshell claim that Weinstein was “intersex,” saying he didn’t have testicles and appeared to have a vagina.

Weinstein faces charges in New York City for allegedly raping Mann, and for an alleged sexually assault on former actress Mimi Haleyi. Prosecutors have used Sopranos actress Annabella Sciorra’s allegation that Weinstein raped her around late 1993 to bolster their claim that Weinstein has a pattern of predatory behavior.

“He would talk very dirty to me about fantasies and things, and compare me to the other things actresses that he said were doing kinky, dirty things with him,” Mann testified. “He always wanted to film me. I never gave him permission.”

“He would say, ‘Do you like my big, fat, Jewish dick?’” Mann claimed.

“The first time I saw him fully naked,” she said, “I thought he was deformed and intersex. He has an extreme scarring that I didn’t know, maybe [he] was a burn victim …”

“He does not have testicles, and it appears that he has a vagina,” she claimed, saying she had oral sex with Weinstein.

As Mann claimed that he had deformed genitals, Weinstein dropped his head.

“He also peed on me once,” she said.


Prosecutor Joan Illuzzi asked Mann to describe Weinstein’s hygiene.

“It was very bad,” she said. “He smelled like shit — excuse me, sorry, like poop. He just was dirty.”

Mann entered the courtroom at 10:06 a.m. Weinstein eyed her as she walked to the witness stand. Illuzzi’s initial questioning was clearly meant to establish both Mann’s naïveté and vulnerability.

Mann testified that she grew up in a Washington State dairy community, that she had a turbulent family life, and was raised in a strict Christian tradition.

“It was a lot of cows, it smelled like poop,” she said. “There wasn’t a lot of culture.”

Asked about her religious upbringing, Mann said, “I would describe how I grew up [as] a cult. It was extremely religious, Evangelical.”

Mann moved to Los Angeles with dreams of becoming an actress at age 25. She met Weinstein at a party around early 2013, introducing herself when she saw him talking to her roommate. Later that evening, Weinstein found Mann and got her phone number. Someone reached out and he took her to Book Soup, a bookstore on Sunset Boulevard.

“He had told me that it’s important for me to understand film history if I wanted to be an actress,” she said. “He wanted to give me some books on the film industry.”

They met there and he bought her four books and one was on Alfred Hitchcock, she said. She described him as normal and he was “very normal and very engaging.”

“There were a few moments where he made like a grunting sound, and he would look at me, but I didn’t know if it was a personality, or sort of an autistic-like trait,” she said.

At a subsequent meeting at a hotel bar, Weinstein claimed he was annoyed by people coming up to him, and asked the restaurant to bring their orders to his hotel suite. The staff brought everything upstairs, but “he was not interested in finishing our food.”

“I was hungry,” she said.

“He started to like, undress himself a little, but you know, I just thought he was just getting comfortable, but he continued, and he walked into his bedroom, and he wanted me to go in there, and I was hesitating and he said, ‘Let me give you a massage, take off your shirt … just relax.’”

“I was like no, that’s okay. I don’t want a massage and this went on for a good moment and um, he made me feel stupid, like, why did I think it was such a big deal, and he said, ‘Well if you’re not going to let me give you a massage, give me a massage,’” she alleged.

“At that point, he had his shirt off and he had lotion. I started putting the lotion on his back … just like very awkwardly … with flat palm, stiff fingers, and smeared it around,” she said.

“He had a lot of alot of blackheads, and the texture of that was uncomfortable,” she also said.

While Mann didn’t have sexual interest in him, Weinstein reached out to her and she did see him socially after the massage incident.

At one party, Mann and Talita, an aspiring actress and her roommate, saw Weinstein; he asked to meet them in the hotel bar to talk about acting.

“It started with him saying I reminded him of his wife because I was clumsy, and she was clumsy, and he told me I was prettier than Natalie Portman,” she said. “He gave us criticism on both our images. He said that I needed to clear my skin up. He told Talita she needed to lose weight. He goes, ‘You guys are perfect for this film that I’m producing. It’s a vampire film, and you both made perfect leads.’”

The bar was closing and he urged them to join him upstairs.

“I said, ‘Ha, ha, ha, oh no, I know what that means,” she recalled, saying that Weinstein laughed at her and responded, “I am a harmless old man.”

Weinstein was pacing. Mann and her friend are sitting on the sofa and he walked back into his room, she said.

“He called my name,” she said, crying. Talita urged her to see what Weinstein wanted.

“I leaned in and I said, ‘What do you want?’” she said. “And then he grabbed my arm, and he pulls me around, and as he’s pulling me around, he closes the door and he says to Talita, ‘We’ll just be a minute.’”

“The more I fought, the angrier he got,” she alleged. Weinstein then said, “Let me do something for you. I’m not letting you leave until I do something for you.”

“He wouldn’t tell me,” she claimed. “He told me to sit on the bed, and that’s when he went down on me.”

“I started to fake an orgasm to get out of it,” she said. “He asked me how it was, if I liked it. And uhm, I was nervous, so I told him, ‘Oh, it was the best I ever had.’”

“I got out of there as fast as I could,” she testified, saying Talita was asking, “What happened? I said, ‘We just gotta go’ and um, we left.”

“I made the decision to be in a relationship with him,” she later said. “And part of that was because I was sexual with very few people. I entered into what I thought was going to be a real relationship with him — and it was extremely degrading from that point on.”

Mann said she was worried about breaking off a relationship with him.

“I thought he was gonna hurt my father,” she said, explaining, “he said to me that he has guys with bats …”

Mann was in New York with a friend who was on a business trip not long after these alleged encounters. Mann, her friend, and Talita were going to meet with Weinstein at the Doubletree Hotel on 51st Street and Lexington Avenue for a breakfast meeting. Mann was staying with her friend at this hotel. When Mann got downstairs, Weinstein was checking into the hotel. She confronted him to ask what he was doing.

“He pulled me aside, to the corner, and he told me not to embarrass him,” she said. After Weinstein was checked in, he put his arm on her and started leading her upstairs. They started to argue in his room. He demanded that Mann get undressed. Mann tried to leave twice but he blocked the door, she alleged.

Left without options, Mann said, “I gave up at that point, and I undressed, and he stood over me until I was completely naked, and then he told me to lay on the bed, and once he was naked and laying on the bed, he walked into the bathroom and sort of closed the door behind him,” she said. “And then he came out naked and he was … he got on top of me, and that’s when he put himself inside of me, his penis inside of me.”

After the alleged rape, Mann said she went to the bathroom.

“I’m just trying to collect myself for a minute, and I see a needle in the trash can, and I flip out, and I grab it, and I look at it, and I remember the name, because I wanted to Google it, and I was …” Mann started to weep at this point. “It was the realization that he stabbed himself with a needle, and there has to be blood because he was inside of me … I was in shock over that.”

Asked whether Weinstein used a condom, Mann said, “No.”

She was asked about the needle.

“I do not remember the medical term, but when I Googled it, it basically implied dead-penis-type thing,” she said.

They walked downstairs shortly thereafter. She did not tell her friend or Talita what allegedly had happened. At breakfast, Weinstein mentioned a movie premiere; Talita and her friend urged Mann to stay another day.

They went to the premiere.

“He wanted me to have tea with him and his daughter right after,” she said. “I did not do that. He was mad.”

As Mann testified, several people in the courtroom rows reserved for Weinstein’s team laughed.

Mann returns to the witness stand this afternoon.
 
Harvey might be intersex he has no testicles it looks he has a vagina and he pissed on her and he smells like shit with terrible hygiene


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Jessica Mann testified in a Manhattan courtroom Friday that Harvey Weinsteinengaged in forced oral sex and raped her in early 2013 and alleged that she was in a twisted relationship with him because of her sexual inexperience.

As Mann tearily described alleged incidents, she also made the bombshell claim that Weinstein was “intersex,” saying he didn’t have testicles and appeared to have a vagina.

Weinstein faces charges in New York City for allegedly raping Mann, and for an alleged sexually assault on former actress Mimi Haleyi. Prosecutors have used Sopranos actress Annabella Sciorra’s allegation that Weinstein raped her around late 1993 to bolster their claim that Weinstein has a pattern of predatory behavior.

“He would talk very dirty to me about fantasies and things, and compare me to the other things actresses that he said were doing kinky, dirty things with him,” Mann testified. “He always wanted to film me. I never gave him permission.”

“He would say, ‘Do you like my big, fat, Jewish dick?’” Mann claimed.

“The first time I saw him fully naked,” she said, “I thought he was deformed and intersex. He has an extreme scarring that I didn’t know, maybe [he] was a burn victim …”

“He does not have testicles, and it appears that he has a vagina,” she claimed, saying she had oral sex with Weinstein.

As Mann claimed that he had deformed genitals, Weinstein dropped his head.

“He also peed on me once,” she said.


Prosecutor Joan Illuzzi asked Mann to describe Weinstein’s hygiene.

“It was very bad,” she said. “He smelled like shit — excuse me, sorry, like poop. He just was dirty.”

Mann entered the courtroom at 10:06 a.m. Weinstein eyed her as she walked to the witness stand. Illuzzi’s initial questioning was clearly meant to establish both Mann’s naïveté and vulnerability.

Mann testified that she grew up in a Washington State dairy community, that she had a turbulent family life, and was raised in a strict Christian tradition.

“It was a lot of cows, it smelled like poop,” she said. “There wasn’t a lot of culture.”

Asked about her religious upbringing, Mann said, “I would describe how I grew up [as] a cult. It was extremely religious, Evangelical.”

Mann moved to Los Angeles with dreams of becoming an actress at age 25. She met Weinstein at a party around early 2013, introducing herself when she saw him talking to her roommate. Later that evening, Weinstein found Mann and got her phone number. Someone reached out and he took her to Book Soup, a bookstore on Sunset Boulevard.

“He had told me that it’s important for me to understand film history if I wanted to be an actress,” she said. “He wanted to give me some books on the film industry.”

They met there and he bought her four books and one was on Alfred Hitchcock, she said. She described him as normal and he was “very normal and very engaging.”

“There were a few moments where he made like a grunting sound, and he would look at me, but I didn’t know if it was a personality, or sort of an autistic-like trait,” she said.

At a subsequent meeting at a hotel bar, Weinstein claimed he was annoyed by people coming up to him, and asked the restaurant to bring their orders to his hotel suite. The staff brought everything upstairs, but “he was not interested in finishing our food.”

“I was hungry,” she said.

“He started to like, undress himself a little, but you know, I just thought he was just getting comfortable, but he continued, and he walked into his bedroom, and he wanted me to go in there, and I was hesitating and he said, ‘Let me give you a massage, take off your shirt … just relax.’”

“I was like no, that’s okay. I don’t want a massage and this went on for a good moment and um, he made me feel stupid, like, why did I think it was such a big deal, and he said, ‘Well if you’re not going to let me give you a massage, give me a massage,’” she alleged.

“At that point, he had his shirt off and he had lotion. I started putting the lotion on his back … just like very awkwardly … with flat palm, stiff fingers, and smeared it around,” she said.

“He had a lot of alot of blackheads, and the texture of that was uncomfortable,” she also said.

While Mann didn’t have sexual interest in him, Weinstein reached out to her and she did see him socially after the massage incident.

At one party, Mann and Talita, an aspiring actress and her roommate, saw Weinstein; he asked to meet them in the hotel bar to talk about acting.

“It started with him saying I reminded him of his wife because I was clumsy, and she was clumsy, and he told me I was prettier than Natalie Portman,” she said. “He gave us criticism on both our images. He said that I needed to clear my skin up. He told Talita she needed to lose weight. He goes, ‘You guys are perfect for this film that I’m producing. It’s a vampire film, and you both made perfect leads.’”

The bar was closing and he urged them to join him upstairs.

“I said, ‘Ha, ha, ha, oh no, I know what that means,” she recalled, saying that Weinstein laughed at her and responded, “I am a harmless old man.”

Weinstein was pacing. Mann and her friend are sitting on the sofa and he walked back into his room, she said.

“He called my name,” she said, crying. Talita urged her to see what Weinstein wanted.

“I leaned in and I said, ‘What do you want?’” she said. “And then he grabbed my arm, and he pulls me around, and as he’s pulling me around, he closes the door and he says to Talita, ‘We’ll just be a minute.’”

“The more I fought, the angrier he got,” she alleged. Weinstein then said, “Let me do something for you. I’m not letting you leave until I do something for you.”

“He wouldn’t tell me,” she claimed. “He told me to sit on the bed, and that’s when he went down on me.”

“I started to fake an orgasm to get out of it,” she said. “He asked me how it was, if I liked it. And uhm, I was nervous, so I told him, ‘Oh, it was the best I ever had.’”

“I got out of there as fast as I could,” she testified, saying Talita was asking, “What happened? I said, ‘We just gotta go’ and um, we left.”

“I made the decision to be in a relationship with him,” she later said. “And part of that was because I was sexual with very few people. I entered into what I thought was going to be a real relationship with him — and it was extremely degrading from that point on.”

Mann said she was worried about breaking off a relationship with him.

“I thought he was gonna hurt my father,” she said, explaining, “he said to me that he has guys with bats …”

Mann was in New York with a friend who was on a business trip not long after these alleged encounters. Mann, her friend, and Talita were going to meet with Weinstein at the Doubletree Hotel on 51st Street and Lexington Avenue for a breakfast meeting. Mann was staying with her friend at this hotel. When Mann got downstairs, Weinstein was checking into the hotel. She confronted him to ask what he was doing.

“He pulled me aside, to the corner, and he told me not to embarrass him,” she said. After Weinstein was checked in, he put his arm on her and started leading her upstairs. They started to argue in his room. He demanded that Mann get undressed. Mann tried to leave twice but he blocked the door, she alleged.

Left without options, Mann said, “I gave up at that point, and I undressed, and he stood over me until I was completely naked, and then he told me to lay on the bed, and once he was naked and laying on the bed, he walked into the bathroom and sort of closed the door behind him,” she said. “And then he came out naked and he was … he got on top of me, and that’s when he put himself inside of me, his penis inside of me.”

After the alleged rape, Mann said she went to the bathroom.

“I’m just trying to collect myself for a minute, and I see a needle in the trash can, and I flip out, and I grab it, and I look at it, and I remember the name, because I wanted to Google it, and I was …” Mann started to weep at this point. “It was the realization that he stabbed himself with a needle, and there has to be blood because he was inside of me … I was in shock over that.”

Asked whether Weinstein used a condom, Mann said, “No.”

She was asked about the needle.

“I do not remember the medical term, but when I Googled it, it basically implied dead-penis-type thing,” she said.

They walked downstairs shortly thereafter. She did not tell her friend or Talita what allegedly had happened. At breakfast, Weinstein mentioned a movie premiere; Talita and her friend urged Mann to stay another day.

They went to the premiere.

“He wanted me to have tea with him and his daughter right after,” she said. “I did not do that. He was mad.”

As Mann testified, several people in the courtroom rows reserved for Weinstein’s team laughed.

Mann returns to the witness stand this afternoon.
This don't sound like rape though. Only read up to her saying she was in a relationship with him. Those were her words so what did Harvey do wrong here? She claimed he forced oral on her, but she went to his room and could have been a willung participant. No defending Harvey and I believe he has raped/sexually assaulted women, but this don't sound like it.
 
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